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| issoisso |
Posted on 26-07-2008 17:02
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hakab wrote:
A little bird said that Cancellara might try something on the cobbles in Paris tomorrow, maybe he did not go flat out on the end of todays time trial because he felt to confident that he already had enough to win the stage. And therefor got himself a new goal, being the first one to Champs-Elysées.
he said he went flat out but was just dead from all the effort helping his leaders
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| Dankan |
Posted on 26-07-2008 17:02
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issoisso wrote:
(it's also two in a row for your home district  )
Take him as being actually from Ávila, he really does not feel as a Madrilian. Sastre and Boonen made my day  |
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Posted on 26-07-2008 17:03
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issoisso wrote:
he said he went flat out but was just dead from all the effort helping his leaders
Okey, but it is also weird that Schumaker aint tired after 2 breaks in the alps. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 26-07-2008 17:04
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I thought Ávila was in madrid, but what do I know 
hakab wrote:
issoisso wrote:
he said he went flat out but was just dead from all the effort helping his leaders
Okey, but it is also weird that Schumaker aint tired after 2 breaks in the alps.
the jet fuel helps with that 
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 26-07-2008 17:04
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Dankan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
(it's also two in a row for your home district )
Take him as being actually from Ávila, he really does not feel as a Madrilian. Sastre and Boonen made my day
What did Boonen do today?
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| Dankan |
Posted on 26-07-2008 17:05
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Dankan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
(it's also two in a row for your home district )
Take him as being actually from Ávila, he really does not feel as a Madrilian. Sastre and Boonen made my day
What did Boonen do today?
He won the first stage at the Tour of Wallonie. |
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Posted on 26-07-2008 17:08
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issoisso wrote:
I thought Ávila was in madrid, but what do I know
hakab wrote:
issoisso wrote:
he said he went flat out but was just dead from all the effort helping his leaders
Okey, but it is also weird that Schumaker aint tired after 2 breaks in the alps.
the jet fuel helps with that
I didnt see that..but I think fuel is started to come out from eyes..at this check point killer look. this itches and hurt like hell. |
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Posted on 26-07-2008 17:16
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CARLITO YOU ROCK!
I'm glad Evans had a off-day.
"Kraftværket fra Rostock, en stor bastant trampende tysker, en torpedo, der skydes gennem luftrummet, en bombe af kraft, pløjer nærmest asfalten op, benene går som store stempler på den tyske maskine, en rullende bismarcksklump."
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 26-07-2008 17:23
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So anything i can cheer on?
THE THOMAS VOECKLER PROPHET OF PCM DAILY
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| issoisso |
Posted on 26-07-2008 17:25
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 26-07-2008 20:29
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CrueTrue wrote:
Phanekim, on one hand, you're praising Vandevelde for his enormeous improvement. On the other hand, you're saying that Sastre doped even though he basically rode the TT as expected. It's Evans and Menchov who have done worse than normally.
I agree. Vandevelde although has been recently proclaimed by doping experts as clean. The others they are mum on. We do know that there are several irregularities outside of ricco. We do know how the doping nazis work. They are selectively targeting the suspicious riders. Them targetting the Schleck's dad should signal something. I do not think menchov or evans have been selectively targetted. But once they started going through a member of CSC, I started getting suspicious.
Maybe its my own paranoia, but think about all the times that someone has done a great performance in the last 3 years and then they get kicked out for doping. It seems the only reliable thing is that there are going to be more positives. I"m not fully convinced we haven't seen the last positive of the tour yet.
Trust me, i want to believe a lot of these guys are clean, but over and over i'm let down. Its not what i feel i want to believe but what seems to be reality.
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Posted on 26-07-2008 20:40
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Are you American Phanekim? Would explain a lot. |
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| matt493 |
Posted on 26-07-2008 20:43
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Im japanese and i think that vandevelde is not doped. And i think that Sastre is and Im Spanish. Sorry I have Multiple personalities disorder.
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| raar1991 |
Posted on 26-07-2008 20:44
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hakab wrote:
A little bird said that Cancellara might try something on the cobbles in Paris tomorrow, maybe he did not go flat out on the end of todays time trial because he felt to confident that he already had enough to win the stage. And therefor got himself a new goal, being the first one to Champs-Elysées.
I thought that too. After his win in last years tour, milan san remo and tour de suisse he will try to still the win from sprinters tomorrow |
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Posted on 26-07-2008 20:45
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Wow the Xenophobia on here is off the chart.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 26-07-2008 20:48
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raar1991 wrote:
hakab wrote:
A little bird said that Cancellara might try something on the cobbles in Paris tomorrow, maybe he did not go flat out on the end of todays time trial because he felt to confident that he already had enough to win the stage. And therefor got himself a new goal, being the first one to Champs-Elysées.
I thought that too. After his win in last years tour, milan san remo and tour de suisse he will try to still the win from sprinters tomorrow
It won't happen. He has repeatly said that he's completely busted and dead. I'd be surprised if he tries tomorrow -- but you never know |
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 26-07-2008 21:15
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Crazy_Ivan wrote:
Wow the Xenophobia on here is off the chart.
I dont think its a fact of xenophobia as much as a function of me spending too much time defending those dopers...even americans like landis/armstrong only to feel backstabbed in the back. So, yes, i am american, used to defend these guys a lot. I no longer bother.
The truth is, when basso confessed, he confessed a lot. He confessed that riis and frank had meetings with fuentes even. There are articles on this at dailypeloton. Remember guys, where there is smoke there is fire. Don't buy into their illusion. I know i don't anymore. It wouldn't shock me if a big name is caught soon.
ON the upside, i do think the sport is cleaning up. it'll be 2-3 more years though. So far i like the progress. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 26-07-2008 21:27
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Phanekim wrote:
The truth is, when basso confessed, he confessed a lot. He confessed that riis and frank had meetings with fuentes even.
WHAT?
can you get me links please?
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Don't buy into their illusion. I know i don't anymore.
don't worry, I don't buy into Damsgaard's bullshit. to me it seems a bit like it's more of a cover-up program. control the doping. anyway, I don't want to be guessing, all I know is that the change isn't going many places right now, for the simples fact that most drugs are untraceable.
The bottom line is this: a lot less has changed than it seems, most teams "commited to being clean" are actually doping. And no matter what, the only way to stop this is to develop tests for all the drugs. which might take years, might never happen. We can only hope. But in truth, it's mostly hopeless. The fight against doping is doomed by human nature itself.
It wouldn't shock me if a big name is caught soon.
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ON the upside, i do think the sport is cleaning up. it'll be 2-3 more years though. So far i like the progress.
you're going to be bitterly disappointed. believe me when I tell you that it's mostly all sparkle and no substance. it's "we're clean, we hate dopers, we're mad at dopers" over the table, and HGH injections under the table.
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Posted on 26-07-2008 21:49
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Phanekim wrote:The truth is, when basso confessed, he confessed a lot.
yeah, he really spilled his guts
It wouldn't surprise me if Sastre dopes. Afterall, he's a pro cyclist, who just won le Tour. However, his performance in this Tour, isn't out of the ordinary, me thinks. That he was able to defend on a 50km TT wasn't a given, but it wasn't far fetched either. Had Evans ridden a topnotch TT, which I believe he's capable of, the Aussie would've won. Sastre never panicked, in fact before this TT, many a pundit would say he didn't have enough time, thus he hadn't been aggresive enough. As it turned out, Sastre won le Tour being the smartest rider. |
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Posted on 26-07-2008 21:52
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Phanekim wrote:
The truth is, when basso confessed, he confessed a lot.
Thats news to me and most others. I thought he never confessed at all, just claimed to have only considered doping but nothing more. That was what was reported pretty much everywhere
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