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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 10-04-2009 15:53
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doddy13 wrote:
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
they may be trying to catch him but, if he was clean, he wouldn't try to evade them
Or he may just not have wanted to give blood/urine/hair to a random unidentified guy knocking on the door until he confirmed his identity. Not saying he IS clean... but would it shock you if some random french newspaper sent a guy pretending to be a drug tester in order to get a story?
The rules state (correctly), that he must be in the presence of a anti-doping guy. That rule was broken. Obey by the rules or there will be consequences.
Someone is guilty:
1) Lance Amrstrong
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2) The AFLD guy.
The thing is, it's in both those two's best interests not to break the rules. The AFLD guy probably couldn't care less if Armstrong wanted to break them, its a short cut to banning him from French races. I just think LA made a terrible terrible mistake in coming back and thinking he'd be welcomed back by anyone other than US people.
It makes me feel the same way that having Di Luca and Petacchi at the Tour of Britain last year, tis like a farce.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-04-2009 15:54
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If it is his sole job, than why didn't he follow him.
Yes, please do run into a guy's house all of a sudden with no permission to. And good luck explaining it to the police later  |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 10-04-2009 16:03
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yeah, there's the law in cycling and then there's the law
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-04-2009 16:07
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
yeah, there's the law in cycling and then there's the law
- "Why exactly did you run in there?"
- "Oh, I just wanted his blood. And urine. Oh yes, and his hair too.............what're the handcuffs and the straight jacket for?" |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 10-04-2009 16:09
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issoisso wrote:
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drug tests occurring at a frequency 10-20 times as often as the next most tested rider
Every single rider has been tested this many times to establish a longitudinal profile. All the riders who weren't around to be subjected to it last year are subject to the exact same this year.
There's one and only one person who can claim to be tested far more often than normal: Klöden.
"Armstrong said he had been tested 24 times "without incident" before the episode in France." That's in a 3-mont testing period
From november of 2007-April of 2008 (6 months) Garmin/slipstream riders were tested about 15 times each.
Now obvioulsy that's not 10-20 times (that's what I get for trusting what others write on message boards), but it's still 3-4 times the frequency. Maybe all riders are tested that often now and things have changed... but Garmin was supposed to be one of the more tested teams last season. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 10-04-2009 16:11
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issoisso wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
yeah, there's the law in cycling and then there's the law
- "Why exactly did you run in there?"
- "Oh, I just wanted his blood. And urine. Oh yes, and his hair too.............what're the handcuffs and the straight jacket for?"
no it's nothing weird. i just needed him to take his lycra off.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-04-2009 16:15
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KurtinSC wrote:
issoisso wrote:
KurtinSC wrote:
drug tests occurring at a frequency 10-20 times as often as the next most tested rider
Every single rider has been tested this many times to establish a longitudinal profile. All the riders who weren't around to be subjected to it last year are subject to the exact same this year.
There's one and only one person who can claim to be tested far more often than normal: Klöden.
"Armstrong said he had been tested 24 times "without incident" before the episode in France." That's in a 3-mont testing period
From november of 2007-April of 2008 (6 months) Garmin/slipstream riders were tested about 15 times each.
Now obvioulsy that's not 10-20 times (that's what I get for trusting what others write on message boards), but it's still 3-4 times the frequency. Maybe all riders are tested that often now and things have changed... but Garmin was supposed to be one of the more tested teams last season.
A. If Armstrong is slightly more tested than the average, that's normal. For the other riders, they used data from previous tests as well. With Armstrong, there are no previous tests.
B. 24 is 3-4 times 15? really? 
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 10-04-2009 16:17
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issoisso wrote:
KurtinSC wrote:
issoisso wrote:
KurtinSC wrote:
drug tests occurring at a frequency 10-20 times as often as the next most tested rider
Every single rider has been tested this many times to establish a longitudinal profile. All the riders who weren't around to be subjected to it last year are subject to the exact same this year.
There's one and only one person who can claim to be tested far more often than normal: Klöden.
"Armstrong said he had been tested 24 times "without incident" before the episode in France." That's in a 3-mont testing period
From november of 2007-April of 2008 (6 months) Garmin/slipstream riders were tested about 15 times each.
Now obvioulsy that's not 10-20 times (that's what I get for trusting what others write on message boards), but it's still 3-4 times the frequency. Maybe all riders are tested that often now and things have changed... but Garmin was supposed to be one of the more tested teams last season.
A. If Armstrong is slightly less tested than the average, that's normal. For the other riders, they used data from previous tests as well. With Armstrong, there are no previous tests.
B. 24 is 3-4 times 15? really?
Let's practice math here.
15 times over 6 months
24 times over 3 months.
6 is twice as much as 3.
So 24 x 2 = 48.
48 divided by 15 = 3.2
So it's 3.2 times as many tests per unit of time... thus the 3-4 times as often.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 10-04-2009 16:17
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did you mean if armstrong is more tested?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-04-2009 16:19
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KurtinSC wrote:
issoisso wrote:
KurtinSC wrote:
issoisso wrote:
KurtinSC wrote:
drug tests occurring at a frequency 10-20 times as often as the next most tested rider
Every single rider has been tested this many times to establish a longitudinal profile. All the riders who weren't around to be subjected to it last year are subject to the exact same this year.
There's one and only one person who can claim to be tested far more often than normal: Klöden.
"Armstrong said he had been tested 24 times "without incident" before the episode in France." That's in a 3-mont testing period
From november of 2007-April of 2008 (6 months) Garmin/slipstream riders were tested about 15 times each.
Now obvioulsy that's not 10-20 times (that's what I get for trusting what others write on message boards), but it's still 3-4 times the frequency. Maybe all riders are tested that often now and things have changed... but Garmin was supposed to be one of the more tested teams last season.
A. If Armstrong is slightly less tested than the average, that's normal. For the other riders, they used data from previous tests as well. With Armstrong, there are no previous tests.
B. 24 is 3-4 times 15? really?
Let's practice math here.
15 times over 6 months
24 times over 3 months.
6 is twice as much as 3.
So 24 x 2 = 48.
48 divided by 15 = 3.2
So it's 3.2 times as many tests per unit of time... thus the 3-4 times as often.
That work for you?
Oh frequency. Sorry. misread you 
However....he's been tested since October. So that's 6 months 
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 10-04-2009 16:20
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isso's point still stands - they need to build up a profile from scratch
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 10-04-2009 16:35
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25 year-old Theo Bos from the Netherlands is switching to road cycling this season and preparing to participate in the Tour de France later this summer...
What he is taking? |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 10-04-2009 16:36
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Guido Mukk wrote:
25 year-old Theo Bos from the Netherlands is switching to road cycling this season and preparing to participate in the Tour de France later this summer...
What he is taking?
I suspect the question is more, what is cyclingnews taking? |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 10-04-2009 16:38
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issoisso wrote:
Oh frequency. Sorry. misread you
However....he's been tested since October. So that's 6 months
Sorry... the quote pyramid was getting a bit too long.
The impression I got from the article where he claimed 24 times was that was how often he's been tested this year, not since October. But perhaps I misunderstood it. Even so... the 24 number is only coming from him... there don't appear to be any "official" numbers about how often guys are tested.
However, in both cases it appears that the majority of the tests come from internal testing, not "official" testing (like WADA or UCI).
In the 6 month garmin period, only 3-5 of the tests were official... the other 10-12 for each rider were from their internal testing. It appears similar with lance... though a bit more. According to his website, he's had 10 or 11 official tests (which are all that are listed). If the 24 number is right, than means a similar number of internal tests as Garmin had over a 6 month period.
So while it is more frequent, I guess I can buy that having 5-7 additional tests might be due to getting an initial baseline.
In the end, he's probably going to regret coming back. I really don't think he's cheating... but his ego can't take the testing required. Regardless of who's story is true, it sounds like the main cause of the incident is that Lance was pissed someone showed up to test him so gave the guy a hard time to provide a salve to his ego. Regardless of if he's getting targeted or not... he obviously FEELS like he's getting targeted and is acting a bit like a petulant child (just like most stars in sports do).
The funny thing... he's one of the few riders I think will actually be clean this season. He's probably the rider who will be hurt most by a positive test and really has the least to gain from cheating.
I think he was doped to the gills in the 90's and might have been doped in the early 2000's. But I'd be shocked if he weren't clean now. All this mess has more to do with ego then with doping. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-04-2009 17:16
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KurtinSC wrote:
The funny thing... he's one of the few riders I think will actually be clean this season. He's probably the rider who will be hurt most by a positive test and really has the least to gain from cheating.
(......)
But I'd be shocked if he weren't clean now. All this mess has more to do with ego then with doping.
Yes, quite. For him to risk his entire career's reputation when he has nothing to prove, he has to be 100% sure there's no chance of a positive test.
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| chrica04 |
Posted on 10-04-2009 23:48
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I am trying not to sound bias with Armstrong. No one has been tested more over the years. After a stage win, and as leader of the tour. Out of competition tests as well.
He did "bend" the rules, but he left when they were verifying the tester. He is allowed to leave then. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 10-04-2009 23:50
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No, he's not allowed to leave after he's been asked to deliver the tests. |
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| Xavier |
Posted on 11-04-2009 11:03
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yes you cant get 'out of sight' of the guy who will do the control, just like after youve won a race, some guy follows you around when the rider does interviews or whatever until he underwent the control
but according to Armstrongs version of the story, he said he asked the guy if it was ok to take a shower and the doping guy said yes
so its pretty hard to judge
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| issoisso |
Posted on 11-04-2009 11:32
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No, he's not allowed to leave after he's been asked to deliver the tests.
Quite. And he's trying to convince people that the tester told him he could leave and that the report by the testers doesn't state any anomaly.
When in fact, the very moment this started the AFLD took care to say that the situation is derived from the very fact that the testers "came home" from the test with an anomaly registered in the paperwork.
Armstrong knows he can claim the sky is green because he has a legion of fans that will believe him despite the fact that there's paperwork proving it's not true. |
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Posted on 11-04-2009 11:48
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Armstrong says he asked to check him out because the anti-doping guy came alone, and he claims thats never happened before. Which also seems very strange.
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