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| sutty68 |
Posted on 29-07-2014 12:38
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The Hobbit wrote:
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Cannot believe the Mercedes team wanted Hamilton to let Rosberg pass him 
It was tactically a perfect call. He was on a different strategy, and if Hamilton let him through he could have won. There was no way he could have overtaken him, so basically he ruined Rosberg's race, which was already ruined by the safety car. He didn't let him past because he doesn't want him to win, but thats sort of stupid when they are on the same team, and the fact Rosberg has been asked the same thing and normally complies, unlike Hamilton.
What impressed me was Rosberg's attitude afterwards. I can imagine Hamilton probably would have been fuming, and often is in the post race interview, which is understandable if he was in Rosberg's situation, but stupid in a stituation like Monaco, where there was little to be annoyed about.
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Posted on 29-07-2014 12:54
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sutty68 wrote:
The Hobbit wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Cannot believe the Mercedes team wanted Hamilton to let Rosberg pass him
It was tactically a perfect call. He was on a different strategy, and if Hamilton let him through he could have won. There was no way he could have overtaken him, so basically he ruined Rosberg's race, which was already ruined by the safety car. He didn't let him past because he doesn't want him to win, but thats sort of stupid when they are on the same team, and the fact Rosberg has been asked the same thing and normally complies, unlike Hamilton.
What impressed me was Rosberg's attitude afterwards. I can imagine Hamilton probably would have been fuming, and often is in the post race interview, which is understandable if he was in Rosberg's situation, but stupid in a stituation like Monaco, where there was little to be annoyed about.
Fair point indeed
No no no. That is not how an internet debate is meant to go!
It has to degenerate into a argument about who is more mature and intelligent, which divulges into religion, history and the future of penguins everywhere, before eventually you pass the 50% of words are swears threshold where there is intervention from others, only for them to join the argument.
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 29-07-2014 12:56
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The Hobbit wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Cannot believe the Mercedes team wanted Hamilton to let Rosberg pass him
It was tactically a perfect call. He was on a different strategy, and if Hamilton let him through he could have won. There was no way he could have overtaken him, so basically he ruined Rosberg's race, which was already ruined by the safety car. He didn't let him past because he doesn't want him to win, but thats sort of stupid when they are on the same team, and the fact Rosberg has been asked the same thing and normally complies, unlike Hamilton.
What impressed me was Rosberg's attitude afterwards. I can imagine Hamilton probably would have been fuming, and often is in the post race interview, which is understandable if he was in Rosberg's situation, but stupid in a stituation like Monaco, where there was little to be annoyed about.
What you forget is that Rosberg was nowhere near enough to Hamilton for him to let him Pass. Rosberg was at least a second away the whole lap, on a track where its already tough to pass someone (and nearly impossible without DRS). So for Hamilton to let Rosberg pass, he would have had to loose at least 2 seconds to let him pass, which would have cost him valuable points in the championship race and a better position. There was absolutely no cause for HAM to let ROS past, cause the benefit of it would have been marginal for Nico and Hamilton would have been the big loser of it.
If Rosberg had DRS and would have been within 1 second for the whole lap, then the discussion would have been different, but Rosberg only got into DRS Range on the Homestraight and then dropped off for the rest of the lap again. And there should be nor argument of Hamilton holding him up, since Rosberg was struggling to be quick in the on the slower backstretch from the start on.
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 29-07-2014 13:05
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miggi133 wrote:
The Hobbit wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Cannot believe the Mercedes team wanted Hamilton to let Rosberg pass him
It was tactically a perfect call. He was on a different strategy, and if Hamilton let him through he could have won. There was no way he could have overtaken him, so basically he ruined Rosberg's race, which was already ruined by the safety car. He didn't let him past because he doesn't want him to win, but thats sort of stupid when they are on the same team, and the fact Rosberg has been asked the same thing and normally complies, unlike Hamilton.
What impressed me was Rosberg's attitude afterwards. I can imagine Hamilton probably would have been fuming, and often is in the post race interview, which is understandable if he was in Rosberg's situation, but stupid in a stituation like Monaco, where there was little to be annoyed about.
What you forget is that Rosberg was nowhere near enough to Hamilton for him to let him Pass. Rosberg was at least a second away the whole lap, on a track where its already tough to pass someone (and nearly impossible without DRS). So for Hamilton to let Rosberg pass, he would have had to loose at least 2 seconds to let him pass, which would have cost him valuable points in the championship race and a better position. There was absolutely no cause for HAM to let ROS past, cause the benefit of it would have been marginal for Nico and Hamilton would have been the big loser of it.
If Rosberg had DRS and would have been within 1 second for the whole lap, then the discussion would have been different, but Rosberg only got into DRS Range on the Homestraight and then dropped off for the rest of the lap again. And there should be nor argument of Hamilton holding him up, since Rosberg was struggling to be quick in the on the slower backstretch from the start on.
To be honest, I sort of agree. I do think it was a bit odd for Mercedes to want him to get past. I was more annoyed that once the call went out, he didn't. I am not sure if it was a good decision, I imagine it was better, just because they had the best people in the world working on it, but to me that doesn't really matter. I think that a driver should always do what the team says, because ultimately, that's what will be better for the team. This time Hamilton might have been right, but before, and again, he will not comply, and won't be right. He needs to be made aware that this isn't acceptable.
On another, note, all the penguins are going to die. |
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 29-07-2014 16:49
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The Hobbit wrote:
I think that a driver should always do what the team says, because ultimately, that's what will be better for the team. This time Hamilton might have been right, but before, and again, he will not comply, and won't be right. He needs to be made aware that this isn't acceptable.
Christian Horner might be my 2nd most hated figure in Formula 1, but he brought it to the point in an interview.
He more or less stated that Mercedes shouldnt even interfere in the first place cause there is no need for it... I mean look at the facts. they have the best car by miles and on top of that have such a huge lead in the constructors world championship that the only open race is the drivers championship, which realistically, only the two mercedes drivers are contesting for. So by waving Rosberg past Hamilton, the team would not have done whats best for the team, but what is the best for Rosberg, which is quite hypocritical if you think about it since they said that they let their drivers race. Also, Im pretty sure that, in the unlikely event that the constructors title should be under threat again, there could be cause for team orders and im pretty sure hamilton would comply...
I know, it is also quite hypocritical coming from Horner and Red Bull (Multi21 and the like), but I am all in favour of letting both drivers fight it out on the track and each for his own, without upper management tailoring themselves the world champion they'd like (I mean, what would be more ideal than a german champion in a german car in the year where germany wins the world cup #conspiracytheory )
(But aside from that the world champion should be the best driver and not the one that was let through because he was on a different strategy that MAY or MAY NOT work).
Also, I agree with your point about the Penguins and would also like to race awareness about the Habitat Destruction of Polar Bears... Really concerning...
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| silent_control |
Posted on 30-07-2014 12:10
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With this whole Rosberg vs Hamilton scandal, nobody said anything about Ricciardo, who was in fact the winner. What do you guys think about his performance? He rode quite well and the strategy was perfect. |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 30-07-2014 12:45
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Would like to know what Vettel thinks of Ricciardo, as he has been second best to him for most of the season |
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 19-08-2014 20:42
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didn't we have a discussion about Kyvat and Sirotkin being to young for F1 last year. I've got a new one for you all.
Max Verstappen is racing for Toro Rosso next season. he's will be 17 in Australia next year and has only one season in Formula 3  given he did win 9 races so far this season
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 19-08-2014 20:49
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Smart idea, giving a super license to someone who isn't even old enough to drive in most countries... Some one at the FIA needs to take a second and think before we have a horrible accident
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Posted on 19-08-2014 22:45
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yup, this is insane. it isn't that he's young only. he only has done one season in open wheel racing. he's even surprising himself by how good he's doing. 2nd in the championship and 9 wins including the (less important getting) Masters of Formula 3. hopefully he manages to stay out of trouble like I think Kyvat does.
although you said something similiar about Kvyat but he hasn't done much wrong if I recall correctly (and I propably am not)
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Posted on 19-08-2014 22:54
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The only thing his age has effect on is his physical shape. Especially in the modern F1 it shouldn't be a problem. From litte I've seen he already seems a better driver than some current drivers in the F1. Maybe those people should have their license revoked. 
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 20-08-2014 10:32
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Re Leone wrote:
The only thing his age has effect on is his physical shape. Especially in the modern F1 it shouldn't be a problem. From litte I've seen he already seems a better driver than some current drivers in the F1. Maybe those people should have their license revoked.
Better than Maldonado, right?
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| murao22 |
Posted on 20-08-2014 13:00
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https://www.autosport.com/news/report..../id/115433
Andre Lotterer in Caterham! |
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 20-08-2014 13:13
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replaces Kobayashi, I'm not even surprised
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| SoRaiden |
Posted on 20-08-2014 16:12
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Quite glad to see Lotterer in a F1 car, that guy can drive. But Im quite disappointed in Caterham. They have Frijns as test-/reservedriver, one of the biggest talents nowadays (and I dont say that because he's Dutch). This might've been his only chance to make it to F1. Sad to see that money is more important then talent :\ |
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 20-08-2014 16:35
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
didn't we have a discussion about Kyvat and Sirotkin being to young for F1 last year. I've got a new one for you all.
Max Verstappen is racing for Toro Rosso next season. he's will be 17 in Australia next year and has only one season in Formula 3 given he did win 9 races so far this season
I'm probably wrong on this and I'm sure someone will correct me soon but didn't Kimi Raikonnen only have 1-2 seasons of open wheel racing, at a lower level, between leaving Karting and joining Formula 1?
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| Wild Dog |
Posted on 20-08-2014 16:39
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Re Leone wrote:
The only thing his age has effect on is his physical shape. Especially in the modern F1 it shouldn't be a problem. From litte I've seen he already seems a better driver than some current drivers in the F1. Maybe those people should have their license revoked.
You Sir, are so right. ( ) I think that if any of the young guns is able to make this move turn out well it is Max Verstappen. The way he has become used to the F3 car so fast is impressive, and his potential is probably bigger than Kvyat's, who I think is doing really great. On the other hand Chilton and Ericsson is not good enough for F1. Maldonado is at times, but he is soooo unstable and sometimes even dangerous.
Regarding Lotterer I'm so f***ing happy to see him finally get a chance in F1, but there is one problem.... why with Caterham? He is so much better than that and should have made his F1 debut long ago (you can basically say that Christian Klien took his seat - and where is he now...?)
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Quite glad to see Lotterer in a F1 car, that guy can drive. But Im quite disappointed in Caterham. They have Frijns as test-/reservedriver, one of the biggest talents nowadays (and I dont say that because he's Dutch). This might've been his only chance to make it to F1. Sad to see that money is more important then talent :\
I agree with you on Frijns. He should get his race-debut soon if he want to make a career in F1. But I disagree about your last sentence if that is towards Lotterer. I don't think Lotterer brings any money? Frijns should replace Ericsson though - Caterham would benefit from that.
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I'm probably wrong on this and I'm sure someone will correct me soon but didn't Kimi Raikonnen only have 1-2 seasons of open wheel racing, at a lower level, between leaving Karting and joining Formula 1?
Raikkonen came from British Formula Renault IIRC without much experience. He got his super-license because of Peter Sauber and not his results. EDIT: He had 23 races in cars before getting to F1.
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Posted on 20-08-2014 16:44
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Two things: one, Raikkonen had unlimited testing. Something Verstappen doesn't have today.
The other: Lotterer does bring money for Catheram and he will even worst than Ericsson. And Klien is driving LMP2 prototypes at Le Mans. |
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Posted on 20-08-2014 16:47
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I do know Klien is driving LMP2 prototypes. It was a "he has not had a lot of success" joke.  |
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Posted on 20-08-2014 17:32
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Wild Dog wrote:
SoRaiden wrote:
Quite glad to see Lotterer in a F1 car, that guy can drive. But Im quite disappointed in Caterham. They have Frijns as test-/reservedriver, one of the biggest talents nowadays (and I dont say that because he's Dutch). This might've been his only chance to make it to F1. Sad to see that money is more important then talent :\
I agree with you on Frijns. He should get his race-debut soon if he want to make a career in F1. But I disagree about your last sentence if that is towards Lotterer. I don't think Lotterer brings any money? Frijns should replace Ericsson though - Caterham would benefit from that.
2 things here.
First of all: my mistake there. What I meant to say was that Frijns doesnt gets a seat at all, because he doesnt bring any sponser money. So its not only about Lotterer replacing Kobayashi instead of Frijns, but just every team in general not taking Frijns because of the money.
Second: According to the German "Auto, Motor und Sport", the deal has been made possible thanks to Hype, an energydrink company. Catherham doesnt say anything about it at all though |
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