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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 08-05-2011 20:25
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mb2612 wrote:
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Probably true, but he had a good point about Hunter nonetheless!
Maybe, but as Hunter is possibly the best SA cyclist ever, I quite like him.
He does seem to have a bit of an attitude of its the world vs him at times - suggesting his main issue with it is that he reckons he would have been penalised in Petacchi's place, and tbh, I wonder if he really thinks the sprint was fine, or if HTC PR people have told him to 'think' that.
Yeah, his comments after the stage that his complaints on crossing the the line were not at Petacchi implies he has been told to say something.
Has he been relegated more than the one stage in the TDF, I can't remember any others but surely he can't be saying all officials hate him based on one incident?
I dont recall if he was penalised at all in the Tour de Suisse, but he was certainly made scapegoat by a few teams - and so Im sure he has that in mind when making such comments. I cant really think of any other cases where he has been relegated though.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 08-05-2011 20:41
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SportingNonsense wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Probably true, but he had a good point about Hunter nonetheless!
Maybe, but as Hunter is possibly the best SA cyclist ever, I quite like him.
He does seem to have a bit of an attitude of its the world vs him at times - suggesting his main issue with it is that he reckons he would have been penalised in Petacchi's place, and tbh, I wonder if he really thinks the sprint was fine, or if HTC PR people have told him to 'think' that.
Yeah, his comments after the stage that his complaints on crossing the the line were not at Petacchi implies he has been told to say something.
Has he been relegated more than the one stage in the TDF, I can't remember any others but surely he can't be saying all officials hate him based on one incident?
I dont recall if he was penalised at all in the Tour de Suisse, but he was certainly made scapegoat by a few teams - and so Im sure he has that in mind when making such comments. I cant really think of any other cases where he has been relegated though.
Well Renshaws complete disqualification could be said to be another one - at least it was publicity for the Tour at the expense of High Road or it was an attempt to punish High Road. |
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| johnnyjur |
Posted on 08-05-2011 21:08
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Just a question: In the next stages, who will do best of Bozic and Weylandt? It's for a manager game, and I'm wondering if I should do a change. Which one of them has the best chance of coming over the hills, or will both fall behind? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-05-2011 21:20
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
issoisso wrote:
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As isso says, it wasnt bad enough that there would be a DQ - certainly not in the Giro, and with an Italian rider in the wrong.
I didn't say and would never dream of saying that second part
Although I agree with Isso on the point of the sprint, I would have to say that surely you can't believe it unlikely that they would favour an italian riderl.
Again: Two sprint disqualifications since 1992, one of which an italian rider. There is no way that can be spun into favouring an italian rider. It just does not happen.
To be honest, I think the accusations of nationalism are hilarious considering what has been said in this topic and the nationalities of who said what  (hint: it's people of one nationality being chauvinistic and everyone who isn't of that nationality offering the opposing viewpoint)
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| ruben |
Posted on 08-05-2011 21:22
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I cant see how anyone can defend Petacchi's actions, he definately moved across and blocked Cavendish, but he gets away with it because he was marginally enough ahead of Cavendish to get across infont of him.
And the tactic worked for Petacchi, he gets away with it and wins the stage because of it.
Petacchi should have hold a straight line, but Cavendish shouldn't cry everytime somebody do something which he doesn't like. Petacchi was riding inside of the reglement so I think it was a fair victory.
If Cavendish did that to someone else you can bet they would have done a similar reaction - but if Cav does it he is called a crybaby? Ridiculous.
As isso says, it wasnt bad enough that there would be a DQ - certainly not in the Giro, and with an Italian rider in the wrong.
And to those moaning about Ventoso, these sort of bunch sprints dont suit him, and you shouldnt have expected him to really do anything.
You do realize World Tour / GT races do have an international jury without anyone from the race country right??
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 08-05-2011 21:52
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Still doesnt mean I trust them to be fair 
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| Wilier |
Posted on 08-05-2011 21:57
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johnnyjur wrote:
Just a question: In the next stages, who will do best of Bozic and Weylandt? It's for a manager game, and I'm wondering if I should do a change. Which one of them has the best chance of coming over the hills, or will both fall behind?
I'd go for Bozic. He's a better climber than Weylandt and they are about equally fast in a flat sprint. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 08-05-2011 22:03
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issoisso wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
issoisso wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
As isso says, it wasnt bad enough that there would be a DQ - certainly not in the Giro, and with an Italian rider in the wrong.
I didn't say and would never dream of saying that second part
Although I agree with Isso on the point of the sprint, I would have to say that surely you can't believe it unlikely that they would favour an italian riderl.
Again: Two sprint disqualifications since 1992, one of which an italian rider. There is no way that can be spun into favouring an italian rider. It just does not happen.
To be honest, I think the accusations of nationalism are hilarious considering what has been said in this topic and the nationalities of who said what (hint: it's people of one nationality being chauvinistic and everyone who isn't of that nationality offering the opposing viewpoint)
Yeah I got it, subtle as it was. You can't really accuse me of being nationalistic in this case bearing in mind i said it was just something that happens in cycling and I was fine with it. But I know you love that high-horse.
And thanks for pointing that out Ruben, I wasn't aware.
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| SotD |
Posted on 08-05-2011 22:05
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Wilier wrote:
johnnyjur wrote:
Just a question: In the next stages, who will do best of Bozic and Weylandt? It's for a manager game, and I'm wondering if I should do a change. Which one of them has the best chance of coming over the hills, or will both fall behind?
I'd go for Bozic. He's a better climber than Weylandt and they are about equally fast in a flat sprint.
I'd go for none... Belletti could be a decent suggestion though...
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-05-2011 22:15
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Yeah I got it, subtle as it was. You can't really accuse me of being nationalistic in this case bearing in mind i said it was just something that happens in cycling and I was fine with it. But I know you love that high-horse.
When exactly did I accuse you of anything? Do you have a problem with me, or are you just randomly insulting me because it's fun?
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 08-05-2011 23:09
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 09-05-2011 01:06
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Just to be clear, if Cavendish fails to win the next stage, it's totally unfair and a great big conspiracy involving the Italian mafia, the UCI and an accusation from Floyd Landis.
Even if Cav finishes 144th, the first 143 ALL CHEATED SOMEHOW. (unless, you know, they are called Millar, Blythe, Downing or Kennaugh, who would never cheat ever, well...)
And to be a tad more serious, I do think Petacchi blocked Cavendish, but he did it unintentionally or, more likely, in a way that he knew he would get away with it - experience being key, but the chances of any action being taken against him were never really that high as its not as if Cavendish was alongside him - so perhaps really Cav should shut up and just start his sprint earlier next time.
And my point on the Italian bias: It wasnt a case of theyll probably twist the rules a load to favour the Italians, if its a clear cut case then id like to think theyd act regardless of who it is - but more, when its a marginal case as this was - or at least seemed at the time - are they really going to disqualify the Italian stage winner in favour of the mouthy Brit? Exactly how in other sports, a 50/50 decision might go in the way of the home side more often than the away side.
P.s. Isso, have fun in a suit in Africa, Ill be free to post a load of British biased nonsense without risk of PCMdaily's cycling encyclopedia telling me off
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 09-05-2011 07:50
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issoisso wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Yeah I got it, subtle as it was. You can't really accuse me of being nationalistic in this case bearing in mind i said it was just something that happens in cycling and I was fine with it. But I know you love that high-horse.
When exactly did I accuse you of anything? Do you have a problem with me, or are you just randomly insulting me because it's fun?
Saying that it was hilarious that I was accusing the Giro of the likelihood of nationalism (although I didn't know the amount of relegations - I cannot match your level of anorak-dom) bearing in mind the fact that people in the thread were being nationalistic (which i assumed must have been pointed at me or otherwise I can't really understand the relevance). Anyway, have fun in Africa. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 09-05-2011 09:28
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If Petacchi really has found his climbing legs then today looks really good for him.
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| Ko1obnev |
Posted on 09-05-2011 10:56
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Posted on 09-05-2011 11:09
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Ko1obnev wrote:
Flying Vorganov)
Does that mean we can start calling him "Sputnik" now? |
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Posted on 09-05-2011 11:21
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I like Cavendish reaction. It's way better than Contador-Schleck on the Aubisque last year. |
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| ANFreeman |
Posted on 09-05-2011 11:22
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cactus-jack wrote:
Ko1obnev wrote:
Flying Vorganov)
Does that mean we can start calling him "Sputnik" now?
How on earth did he crash like that if there was no one in front of him? Really strange.
Although, the comment above deserves a medal.
(Edit: No pun intended with the 'how on earth' remark...)
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Posted on 09-05-2011 11:41
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I really want to see a video of that crash in super slow mo^ |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 09-05-2011 13:35
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Ko1obnev wrote:
Flying Vorganov)
That's a great 1st post. Welcome 
SportingNonsense wrote:
And to be a tad more serious, I do think Petacchi blocked Cavendish, but he did it unintentionally or, more likely, in a way that he knew he would get away with it - experience being key, but the chances of any action being taken against him were never really that high as its not as if Cavendish was alongside him - so perhaps really Cav should shut up and just start his sprint earlier next time.
To quote Renshaw: "All I can say is that Petacchi is bloody clever when it comes to sprinting and he got the better of us today"
Edited by CrueTrue on 09-05-2011 13:37
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