goibe wrote:
Euskaltel only sing basque riders and no only spanish.
An example is Romain Sicard, who sing for Euskaltel for next year and his nationality is French, but he is basque, and a lot of spanish riders can't sing for euskaltel because they are not basque. So I think that the nationality value is not the solution for the realism.
Hello, and here goes the opinion of someone from Spain:
All riders from Euskaltel but Samuel Sanchez (who is from Asturias, like me) are basque, thanks to the will of some regional ideology.Despite of that, you can't count the Basque Country as a nationality (it is between France and Spain).
Here in Spain there are some regional problems about "independence". There is a terrorist group called ETA which fights (to give it a name) for the independence of the Basque Country. Similar things happen with Cataluña (Catalonia), where Barcelona is, but there is not any terrorism .
Also take into account that its many many years since Vuelta a España has last past through the Basque country. Now the regional goverment has changed and we will see it again.
So I think that is why regionalities where removed from PCM (millions of people in my country would be annoyed if basque was considered a nationality, instead of spanish one).
Thanks for reading and sorry for my embetterable english writing.
If spanish people are annoyed if anyone state the obvious that the basque poeple is a nation, then I do wonder what you learn in school.
There is of course the problem of understanding the difference between a country (Spain) and a nation (Basque countries). A state can have more than one nation in it (like Norway who has about five (samis, kvens, romani, finns)). Then of course there are the national-state of which Portugal probably is the only one left in Europe.
definition of a nation (wikipedia): A nation is a territory or country as political entity or a grouping of people who share real or imagined common history, culture, language or ethnic origin, often possessing or seeking its own government.
country (wikipedia): a country is a geographical region. The term is often applied to a political division or the territory of a sovereign state, or to a smaller, or former, political division of a geographical region. Usually, but not always, a country coincides with a sovereign territory and is associated with a state, nation or government.
Edited by Petterla on 25-01-2010 11:28
goibe wrote:
Euskaltel only sing basque riders and no only spanish.
An example is Romain Sicard, who sing for Euskaltel for next year and his nationality is French, but he is basque, and a lot of spanish riders can't sing for euskaltel because they are not basque. So I think that the nationality value is not the solution for the realism.
Hello, and here goes the opinion of someone from Spain:
All riders from Euskaltel but Samuel Sanchez (who is from Asturias, like me) are basque, thanks to the will of some regional ideology.Despite of that, you can't count the Basque Country as a nationality (it is between France and Spain).
Here in Spain there are some regional problems about "independence". There is a terrorist group called ETA which fights (to give it a name) for the independence of the Basque Country. Similar things happen with Cataluña (Catalonia), where Barcelona is, but there is not any terrorism .
Also take into account that its many many years since Vuelta a España has last past through the Basque country. Now the regional goverment has changed and we will see it again.
So I think that is why regionalities where removed from PCM (millions of people in my country would be annoyed if basque was considered a nationality, instead of spanish one).
Thanks for reading and sorry for my embetterable english writing.
If spanish people are annoyed if anyone state the obvious that the basque poeple is a nation, then I do wonder what you learn in school.
There is of course the problem of understanding the difference between a country (Spain) and a nation (Basque countries). A state can have more than one nation in it (like Norway who has about five (samis, kvens, romani, finns)). Then of course there are the national-state of which Portugal probably is the only one left in Europe.
definition of a nation (wikipedia): A nation is a territory or country as political entity or a grouping of people who share real or imagined common history, culture, language or ethnic origin, often possessing or seeking its own government.
country (wikipedia): a country is a geographical region. The term is often applied to a political division or the territory of a sovereign state, or to a smaller, or former, political division of a geographical region. Usually, but not always, a country coincides with a sovereign territory and is associated with a state, nation or government.
I am not telling I am annoyed about it, but there is no doubt that so much people is about this thing in Spain. I was just trying to explain what happens with Euskaltel in PCM.
P.D. Don't base your life on wikipedia.
If you get my personal identity card, it says: Nationality: spanish; and if you take the one from someone of the spanish part of Pays Basque, it says: Nationality: spanish.
Edited by Dominvs on 25-01-2010 11:39
P.D. Don't base your life on wikipedia.
If you get my personal identity card, it says: Nationality: spanish; and if you take the one from someone of the spanish part of Pays Basque, it says: Nationality: spanish.
That is a common definition of what a nation is. I could have taken it from encyclopedia brittanica or something similar, but since I'm at work I took the easiest one. You were very imprecise in what you wrote, and, well, you won't listen to people who's got degrees in this kind of things (partially from Spain...) (although you couldn't know that)
Could you please explain me why had I been imprecise?
As far as I know what I told about how many people feel in Spain, about Euskaltel, etc is true. I haven't tried to say if Pays Basque is a nation or whatever, but you MUST understand that a country like Spain can't stand that terrorists put bombs to fight for the independence (territorial independence) of its nation. Here the concept "nationalism" is used also by regional politicians to get apart from the Government of Spain. Thats why so many people is annoyed.
Anyways, this is a forum about PCM & Cycling.
Edited by Dominvs on 25-01-2010 14:00
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