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Frank Schleck = Dead Weight???!??
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 04-08-2009 18:40
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jolly_antunes wrote:
schleck93 wrote:
Yes I did actually when Frank is among the 5 best in the mountains in Tour de France he can be said to be "one of the best climbers in the world", that he held Andy back, is much more Riis and Andersens fault really.
That pretty much says it all. Is Wiggins one of the best just because he was fourth??
And i'm not saying he held the brother, i think the opposite.
I'm tralking about the mountains, Wiggins was in top 5-8 of the favorits in the 3 deescisive mountain stages. While was in top 4 of the favorits in thoose stages.
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 04-08-2009 18:41
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*Raises hand as well*
I think that Frank is shaping up to be another Michael Boogerd. He has the climbing abilities to do well in GT's, but not the time-trailing ability to win one (unless he gets Cunego lucky), likewise he is good enough on the hills to fight for the hilly classics, but doesn't have the finishing ability to consistently win them.
I think that he will be a valuable helper to Andy, and will certainly contend and possibly win in the hilly classics, but he will be given more responsibility and expectations (not to mention money) then he deserves.
Edited by Deadpool on 04-08-2009 18:41
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 04-08-2009 18:43
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For the money part, I don't know how much he makes, but a man who can place himself consistently in top 10 i classics and i GTs, are gold to have on a team, and many teams will pay lots of money for a guy liuke that. That is ofcourse if he don't crashes all the time 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-08-2009 18:51
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schleck93 wrote:
For the money part, I don't know how much he makes, but a man who can place himself consistently in top 10 i classics and i GTs, are gold to have on a team, and many teams will pay lots of money for a guy liuke that. That is ofcourse if he don't crashes all the time
Well, you would say that, wouldn't you? With that nickname
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| MikeSurb |
Posted on 04-08-2009 18:59
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Yeah to say that he is not one of the best climbers is ridiculous as well. I stand by that statement. Also, Wiggins was dying while the Schlecks, Armstrong, and Contador were still making accelerations so that isn't a valid argument at all. |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 04-08-2009 19:02
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Resident Moron wrote:
schleck93 wrote:
For the money part, I don't know how much he makes, but a man who can place himself consistently in top 10 i classics and i GTs, are gold to have on a team, and many teams will pay lots of money for a guy liuke that. That is ofcourse if he don't crashes all the time
Well, you would say that, wouldn't you? With that nickname
I knew this nickname was gonna backstap me at some point 
... To the nickname cave!
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 04-08-2009 19:05
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schleck93 wrote:
... To the nickname cave!
If I wasn't so entrenched as Deadpool, I'd change my name to one of two. I won't tell you the one I really like, in case I ever change it, but the other one is "Merovingi."
That way you are a combination between Clovis and that dude from the Matrix.
Edited by Deadpool on 04-08-2009 19:10
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| jolly_antunes |
Posted on 04-08-2009 20:46
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schleck93 wrote:
jolly_antunes wrote:
schleck93 wrote:
Yes I did actually when Frank is among the 5 best in the mountains in Tour de France he can be said to be "one of the best climbers in the world", that he held Andy back, is much more Riis and Andersens fault really.
That pretty much says it all. Is Wiggins one of the best just because he was fourth??
And i'm not saying he held the brother, i think the opposite.
I'm tralking about the mountains, Wiggins was in top 5-8 of the favorits in the 3 deescisive mountain stages. While was in top 4 of the favorits in thoose stages.
Being one of the best in the Tour doesn't really means he's one of the best. There are severall other riders that screwed things up or aren't even in the Tour that are better then him. The fact that Wiggins, a newly climber made 4th sums up what was the tour.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 04-08-2009 21:59
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..and almost every stage in Alps Fränkie boy managed do drop Wiggins..
so where you would like to but him?
Edited by Guido Mukk on 04-08-2009 22:01
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| Thrige |
Posted on 04-08-2009 22:07
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KurtinSC wrote:
Sort of.
To a certain extent, I think best results for a GC contender are reached when he's self-centered enough to sacrifice EVERYONE on his team for his own success. You have to be smart about it... but there has to be a clear willingness to let a teammate slide down 4-5 spots in the rankings if it means gaining 30 seconds for the leader. You never know if that 30 seconds will mean the difference between a win and a loss.
With Frank, I think Andy is too nice (or too good a brother) to sacrifice him the way you need to as the main GC guy. Too many times, Andy was riding at the front while Frank was recuperating... when Frank probably should have been pulling with his last reserves and burning himself out to try to weaken Contador for an Andy attack.
I think Frank is a fine rider. I think he'd be a great teammate for anyone else in a GT. Perhaps not Andy though.
What? If Frank was riding for any else team than Team Saxo Bank, he'll be captain? :s
Anyway, only time I think Frank was holding Andy back, was at Ventoux - on Verbier we saw that Andy definetly didn't waited for Frank.
And, it's first this year Andy has taken the step over Frank. Last year, if we looked away for all the time he lost at the TT's, Frank was actually the guy who came into Paris with least used time!! |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 05-08-2009 15:15
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Thrige wrote:
KurtinSC wrote:
Sort of.
To a certain extent, I think best results for a GC contender are reached when he's self-centered enough to sacrifice EVERYONE on his team for his own success. You have to be smart about it... but there has to be a clear willingness to let a teammate slide down 4-5 spots in the rankings if it means gaining 30 seconds for the leader. You never know if that 30 seconds will mean the difference between a win and a loss.
With Frank, I think Andy is too nice (or too good a brother) to sacrifice him the way you need to as the main GC guy. Too many times, Andy was riding at the front while Frank was recuperating... when Frank probably should have been pulling with his last reserves and burning himself out to try to weaken Contador for an Andy attack.
I think Frank is a fine rider. I think he'd be a great teammate for anyone else in a GT. Perhaps not Andy though.
What? If Frank was riding for any else team than Team Saxo Bank, he'll be captain? :s
Anyway, only time I think Frank was holding Andy back, was at Ventoux - on Verbier we saw that Andy definetly didn't waited for Frank.
And, it's first this year Andy has taken the step over Frank. Last year, if we looked away for all the time he lost at the TT's, Frank was actually the guy who came into Paris with least used time!!
Frank doesn't have a good enough time trial to be a GT captain. If he is... he's on a team without a legitimate captain who can ride for a tour win.
The past two years had the least amount of time trial kilometers we've seen in the Tour in a LONG time... and Frank still couldn't podium. In a normal year (in terms of time trials) he'd have no shot at a top 5. He's a helper/mountains classification guy... or captain on a team who's looking for a 5th-8th place finish.
On stage 17, Andy was working for Frank for a large part of it. While I don't think Andy could have lost Contador, it would have made more sense for Frank to kill himself at the front to try to weaken Contador to set up an attack from Andy... rather then the back and forth attacks as if they two were "co-captains". At that point (after Verbier) it should have been clear that Andy was the leader.
I've got no problem with Ventoux... in that situation there was no way Andy was going to win so what he tried to do was fine. But Andy riding so much at the front on stage 17 is what got me... it's clear he was trying to get a stage win for Frank rather then put time into Contador.
Anyway... it's just an opinion. Like I said... I think he's an excellent rider and a great climber. But he's not capable of winning a tour with more then 50km in time trials. That makes him a helper in my book... and I think a leader has to be willing to sacrifice helpers for his own success. I'm not sure Andy would be willing to sacrifice Frank like that. |
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