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| Ste117 |
Posted on 27-07-2009 20:16
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Evans has had one bad Tour, but questioning his leadership of the team id abit ridiculos, In my opinion he should be team leader of Silence Lotto and besides Armstong has rumoured of wanting Andy Schleck for his new team. |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 27-07-2009 20:29
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chrica04 wrote:
He always got into the mountain stage breaks after loosing the time and was able to hang on "kinda" when caught. Its how Casar and company have always placed high on GC. Not a dumb tactic. He does look as though he will be a good GC guy.
have you even watched the ventoux. arcalis , the queenettappe ,giro last year?
i don't think so
he finished 7th in the giro last year (without attacking)
and it looks like he has grown a lot this year
Edited by Stijn_vranken on 27-07-2009 20:30
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| ursul |
Posted on 27-07-2009 20:30
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Ste117 wrote:
and besides Armstong has rumoured of wanting Andy Schleck for his new team.
Ha ha! He can dream
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 27-07-2009 20:31
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Armstrong wants to be leader in the tour, and there is no way Andy and frank Schleck is gonna be his helpers!
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| chrica04 |
Posted on 27-07-2009 20:47
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
chrica04 wrote:
He always got into the mountain stage breaks after loosing the time and was able to hang on "kinda" when caught. Its how Casar and company have always placed high on GC. Not a dumb tactic. He does look as though he will be a good GC guy.
have you even watched the ventoux. arcalis , the queenettappe ,giro last year?
i don't think so
he finished 7th in the giro last year (without attacking)
and it looks like he has grown a lot this year
I neve said he isn't good. It is just what he did this year. I know he is capable and even said he will be a good GC guy. He did what I said this year because of his time loss. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 27-07-2009 20:59
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ruben wrote:
The Silence-Lotto boss, Marc Coucke, already made it clear that Van den Broeck will be co-leader next year Guido.
Ok logic result.. But but him at front for Evans after one bad Evans GT no way.. |
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| SotD |
Posted on 28-07-2009 07:42
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Okay he did a very nice tour indeed, but in all honesty he was no way near the top 10 before the last stage (ridingwise). He was in a couple of attacks, thereby getting seconds, atleast according to my memory. Same goes for Le Mevel, who wouldn't have been more than 18th or so if not for the breaks. It happens every year that a lucky punch is to finish if not in the 10s then just outside, it doesn't make them a quality GC hope. Dessel is a good exampe... |
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| ruben |
Posted on 28-07-2009 11:32
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On the Ventoux stage Van den Broeck showed he belonged to the best 10 climbers of the Tour, he finished 11th, with 2 escapees in front, so 9th...
I don't think Vandenbroeck was that much worse than Kreuziger or Vandevelde climbingwise.
You also forgot why he went into those long attacks, because he lost 6 minutes in the TTT after the fall + bike change. So he already focussed on stage wins, not the GC, from there on...
edit: can't imagine I'm defending a Belgian rider now. I must be getting old.
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Posted on 28-07-2009 12:29
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Well I agree that he did extremely well on the Ventoux stage, but I doubt he could've done much better if he had decided to race elseway. If he didn't lose those 6mins, he wouldn't have been allowed to go on the attacks I think, so it's about 50/50, what he gained I believe...
That said, he did very good, so did a couple of other riders. I was a bit dissapointed in Kreuziger, as I would've betted on him for 7th or so, but then again, Nibali was the one doing the better this time. Next year Kreuziger could be around 5th...
Van den Broeck won't be more than top 10 next year either imo... But I could be mistaken, it wouldn't be the first time  |
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| ihavenofingerprints |
Posted on 29-07-2009 07:03
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if silence had any sence, they'd release cadel from is contract. And if cadel had any sence, he'd go willingly and find another team. After this year's tour, there's no doubt silence will ride for Van Den Broek, and i don't blame them. They're a belgian team with a belgian gc contender, of course that's what they're going to do, even if cadel would, for the time being at least, be the better option. Silence, as a team, aren't good enough to win a GT, with either evans or VDB...yet. Realistically, i'd say cadel has another season or two as a potential gc winner, and silence won't be able to build a strong enough team around him in that time. Van Den Broek, on the other hand, has age on his side, and by the time he's ready to challenge for the maillot jaune silence should be strong enough to challenge with him. Silence would be better off spenidng cadel's salary on one or two super domestiques, and cadel would be better off finding a team missing a gt leader...and a team that's strong enough to support him. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 29-07-2009 08:23
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ihavenofingerprints wrote:
if silence had any sence, they'd release cadel from is contract.
How would that be smart?
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Silence would be better off spenidng cadel's salary on one or two super domestiques, and cadel would be better off finding a team missing a gt leader...and a team that's strong enough to support him.
And who would those be? |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 29-07-2009 09:15
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[b]ihavenofingerprints wrote:[/bBy the time he's ready to challenge for the maillot jaune silence should be strong enough to challenge with him.
If he ever gets that good, he'll be riding for Quickstep.  |
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| ihavenofingerprints |
Posted on 29-07-2009 11:30
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issoisso wrote:
ihavenofingerprints wrote:
if silence had any sence, they'd release cadel from is contract.
How would that be smart?
ihavenofingerprints wrote:
Silence would be better off spenidng cadel's salary on one or two super domestiques, and cadel would be better off finding a team missing a gt leader...and a team that's strong enough to support him.
And who would those be?
well evans isn't going to ride for anyone else, nor is van den broek, but i would expect silence to ride for van den broek because he's younger and he's belgian, so cadel would just be taking up a spot on their roster and a presumeably very expensive contract, both of which could be better filled by a domestique or two. I don't know who, but i'm sure they could buy a half decent one for the kind of money they'd be paying cadel. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 29-07-2009 11:53
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ihavenofingerprints wrote:
well evans isn't going to ride for anyone else
He has in the past, he would now.
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, nor is van den broek
He just did. So he obviously will continue to.
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, but i would expect silence to ride for van den broek because he's younger and he's belgian,
The team will ride for whoever shows better next year. That's it. It's the rational thing to do and it's also what they've stated they'll do.
Firing a strong rider because you have a rider that's almost as strong doesn't make sense.
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so cadel would just be taking up a spot on their roster and a presumeably very expensive contract, both of which could be better filled by a domestique or two. I don't know who, but i'm sure they could buy a half decent one for the kind of money they'd be paying cadel.
There are three reasons that, each by itself defeat that reasoning, so all combined are just redundant. They are:
1. This isn't football. Riders aren't bought unless it's an elite team buying an amateur.
2. Firing Cadel would mean paying him the rest of his contract. So it would be exactly as expensive financially as keeping him.
3. The reason I asked you which domestiques is that there aren't any available that can possibly be anywhere near as good as Evans. Much less 2 of them for a combined salary of 1.2 million euros which is approximately what Evans makes.
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| Hasselinhoo |
Posted on 29-07-2009 15:27
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Lotto have the money to get 2 good helpers in the mountains let's not forget the money from q8...Dekker,Kohl... |
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| ursul |
Posted on 29-07-2009 15:56
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Hasselinhoo wrote:
Lotto have the money to get 2 good helpers in the mountains let's not forget the money from q8...Dekker,Kohl...
Kohl said that he will never comeback to competition
When Nothing goes rigth, go left...
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 29-07-2009 16:00
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ursul wrote:
Hasselinhoo wrote:
Lotto have the money to get 2 good helpers in the mountains let's not forget the money from q8...Dekker,Kohl...
Kohl said that he will never comeback to competition
He's saying that without Kohl and Dekker on their roster they have a lot of money they can use to sign good riders. |
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| trops |
Posted on 04-08-2009 07:13
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Is Cadel Evans or van den Broeck going to be at the Vuelta??
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-08-2009 07:57
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trops wrote:
Is Cadel Evans or van den Broeck going to be at the Vuelta??
Evans
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 04-08-2009 10:12
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...this was just one TdF.
Cycling is much more outside that race..Lance should know that (he is trying to hire specialy 2009 TdF stars).
And Lotto ..Evans still is a man.
Dont know was it sponsor demanding..but "heil" to Evans and Menchov that they finished this race.. after first week knowledge..that this is gonna be disaster. |
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