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| quadsas |
Posted on 05-02-2025 00:28
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I do think it's weird to complain about there being a lot of work that has to be done during offseason and that there's too few people to help yet completely redoing a massive part of rules and merging divisions is a thing that has to be done? I am okay with kicking Group 1, but kicking 15-20 people? If you wanna do all the work for seemingly not much reason (in my eyes) then I am for it, but this seems like a thing that is being suggested for the sake of doing something
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| Jakstar22 |
Posted on 05-02-2025 01:46
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Mresuperstar wrote:
I think this needed to be addressed, so thank you! I know have had spurts of inactivity in the past myself. Life gets messy. But totally support having guidelines in place.
I would personally keep the three tier system and play with the idea of bringing back second teams for active, experienced managers (once a manager shows they can handle multiple offseasons with one team) and either have B dev teams (for an added cost of some sort) or completely new teams.
Easier to stay engaged with two teams in different divisions.
I like this point. I think the season we had a 2nd team for some of the PT managers worked well and it created an interesting dynamic for them with feeder teams or affiliate teams. I think it would help with some managers struggling to develop or loan level 1s. I think if thats the case there could be rules like they can only grow 1 level if they are in an affiliate team as it would mean that less CT managers would get loans from PT. However, it could be something that works well in the current MG. Could definitely make things really interesting and fun for the few managers that are granted the ability to have a second team.
As Mre said though, have to have shown they are active and experienced managers and probably in at least the PCT. I personally would hate to have 2 CT teams. It could make a fun storytelling dynamic though 
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 05-02-2025 02:05
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I do worry a little about the bottom half of PCT being very demotivating in a 2 division scenario. You don't even have relegation to worry about.
My idea would be to do something like the FA Cup where you have other competitions to keep up interest for weaker teams. We could take ToA and make it a one off race that doesn't impact standings. Participation would got to the lowest 16 teams as of July 31 but if you don't claim your spot then it moves up the ladder. Each team has a max total OVL and each X points you score translate into Y dollars in the next transfer season. So the weaker teams would have a way to get a little extra funding - I am thinking capping at like 400k. Not sure that all works but something like that.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 05-02-2025 08:51
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About the race gaps, I think just having more reporters would fix this. But yeah, sadly we can't make them magicaly appear yet.
I still hope this will be more of a wake up call than a purge, I really don't want to see the game reduced to 2 divisions.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 05-02-2025 08:55
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1. Agree with stricter guidelines.
2. Disagree with 2-tier system atm, because you'd either need a lot of disbands or huge divisions, which would probably mean too much backstage prep for the small band of guys who actually take care of that.
Thanks for the initiative!
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 05-02-2025 09:00
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I don’t think two divisions would really be necessary - considering how well we’ve done getting new managers on board the last few seasons, I think there’s only really 3-4 managers I can count that would be at serious risk of being disbanded and only a couple are ‘established’.
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| Laurens147 |
Posted on 05-02-2025 09:23
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I can only applaud the measures taken.
And once again my utmost respect for the small pool of reporters. All understanding from my side if we have to switch to limited reports in the long term to keep the workload manageable.
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| ManGame-Admin |
Posted on 05-02-2025 10:24
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Thanks to everyone for sharing your thoughts. Any ideas to try to help improve the game and participation is welcome. I think a few clarifications are in order given the posts that have been made so far:
1) The intention is NOT to disband anyone. We would keep everyone and continue if that was possible. But it has been observed regularly that some managers do not participate at all in race discussion threads, let alone anything else. The whole point of this exercise is to make the forum exciting, and have motivated managers in the game, not just ones to make up the numbers. We have tried to do the latter in the past couple of years and it has mostly caused more resentment than anything else. You would have noticed that HQs have not even been mentioned separately as one of the prerequisite categories, but we would still expect you to make one and keep it somewhat updated, whenever possible. Absence of participation, is a big letdown for everyone who works in the background, from the off season to the reporters, and is often demotivating to them.
2) If there is ever a need to disband enough teams so that we go back to two divisions, it work very simply. Firstly, we would need to get down to <55 teams to even start to think about removing CT. The races to teams is currently a ratio of around 1.85, and that would stay. The number of races would be reduced according to this, the C2 race category would be removed, and the DB would be trimmed accordingly. In case of a smaller CT, of say, 10-12 teams, the number of races in C1 and C2 categories would be reduced, and the mandatory C2 RDs for PCT could be increased, if required.
3) In terms of the forum, YES, it is old, and YES, it is 2025. But all of the MG activity will stay on the forum because MG is a part of PCM.Daily and that will remain . If some managers feel that they prefer Discord for chats with other managers, then I don't think there's anything stopping you from making a MG group in Discord for that purpose. Please remember that the current Skype group is just an add-on, and a quick way to get in touch with people. We do not count activity on Skype towards Forum activity. During transfers, for example, it is expected that managers check their PMs, and respond to (or ignore) them. It is not necessary for them to respond on Skype (or Discord, because we're aware that a lot of managers are active there).
4) It has been rightly pointed out that the calendar could use some tweaks to not have big breaks for certain divisions. We would welcome some off-season help on this. The same two people have been doing the calendar work for about 4 seasons now!
5) The decision to allow certain managers to have multiple teams will be taken later.
Edited by ManGame-Admin on 05-02-2025 10:38
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| Jakstar22 |
Posted on 05-02-2025 11:23
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Thanks for the clarification and I agree/like the points you made. Thanks for that!
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 05-02-2025 21:06
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Good decision
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