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Is Cancellara clean ?
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| Macquet |
Posted on 14-01-2009 20:47
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A strong performance in the Alps setting tempo is one thing running away from the field all together is another...Cancellara is a very strong and very well conditioned athlete, I don't think he has the make up to win a Grand Tour, but to do what he did in Le Tour did not take being doped...I agree innocent until proven guilty, but I think he is clean. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 14-01-2009 20:51
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Halvor wrote:
he's not doped
Halvor wrote:
, SN's first post says it all 
SN doesn't say either way, so you probably misread him
As for me, "is he?".....who knows. Probably not. Among other things, he was one of the two CSC riders that the AFLD were testing nearly every day during the Tour, and Pierre Bourdry admitted they were testing those with very suspicious blood values almost every day in hopes that one of the tests would fulfill the requirements for a positive.
As for "was he?", Definitely not. He rode for Fassa and Mapei, the chance he didn't "fiddle with it" at some point is zero.
Edited by issoisso on 14-01-2009 20:54
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 14-01-2009 21:10
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CLEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited by Bosskardo on 14-01-2009 21:10
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| jolly_antunes |
Posted on 14-01-2009 21:11
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Roman Kreuziger wrote:
It's hard to predict with every rider of course, though if he's not taken by the anti-doping he's clean!
Like Kohl wasn't ever doped when he made that TdF....
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| Roman Kreuziger |
Posted on 14-01-2009 21:31
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jolly_antunes wrote:
Roman Kreuziger wrote:
It's hard to predict with every rider of course, though if he's not taken by the anti-doping he's clean!
Like Kohl wasn't ever doped when he made that TdF....
If he wasn't taken by the Anti-Doping he would be clean, though you can be suspicious of the performances, it's the same with Franck Schleck he had cotact with Fuentes, but the Luxembourg court didn't do anything, because of lack of evidence or?
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 14-01-2009 21:55
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We're not thinking on the legal point of view here, cause there he's of course innocent until proven guilty.
We're talking about whether he's on dope or not. Saying "he's not on dope unless he gets caught" is missing the point of the debate.
Well, nevermind, the probability to be wrong about him in particular is ridiculously small anyway... |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 15-01-2009 10:52
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i'm not going to say why or given tons of reasons but ive got the feeling that he's far from clean.
surely after last year = WTF?
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 15-01-2009 11:44
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Kind of funny that this question even needs to be asked. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 15-01-2009 12:21
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What a stupid thread. Sorry.
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| 0buKKaKe |
Posted on 15-01-2009 12:42
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Whats the purpose of this disscusion ??? You guys think youll sort out something ???  |
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| 0buKKaKe |
Posted on 15-01-2009 12:43
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Ruben wrote:
What a stupid thread. Sorry.
amen to that words |
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 15-01-2009 12:45
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I'm tired of this kind of threads...
It's so anoying when people start showing arguments on the performance of a rider to justify he's guilty of something!
Let me tell you something:
That we'll lead you nowhere!!!
You'll only get an answer if you grab the guy's bllader and squeeze it into a bottle and send it to a science geek to tell you if that guy is a dopehead or not!!
To me these kind of threads are no different from those old ladies that spend the day discussing the tv novels with the neighbours
Cancellara's performance was really dubious but what will you conclude after that?... so stop firing acusations on every rider unless you have some concrete evidence
you dont see everyone starting a "Is Armstrong clean?" or "Is Basso clean" thread do you??
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-01-2009 13:12
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Do a "Is Monfort doped ?" thread and try to find arguments showing he is, then we'll speak again, right ?
What are we going to prove ? Nothing. What do we have to prove ? Nothing. I'm not an UCI official, I won't charge Cancellara, I have nothing to prove.
I'm just there to lighten those who may have doubts with elements I know, to help them get an opinion. And I'm also there to learn elements about him that I wouldn't know.
We'll never be able (as fans, or whatever you'll call us) to prove X or Y is doped. So we should probably not even think or say X or Y is doped, no matter how many elements there would be in favour of that ?
Hiding one's head in the sand never made a problem vanish... |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 15-01-2009 17:37
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I reckon he is clean, mainly because Schumacher beat him at the TdF.
Also I live in hope that the CSC, Astana, etc. internal systems are real
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| Juan |
Posted on 15-01-2009 18:37
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Gustavovskiy wrote:
I'm tired of this kind of threads...
It's so anoying when people start showing arguments on the performance of a rider to justify he's guilty of something!
Let me tell you something:
That we'll lead you nowhere!!!
You'll only get an answer if you grab the guy's bllader and squeeze it into a bottle and send it to a science geek to tell you if that guy is a dopehead or not!!
To me these kind of threads are no different from those old ladies that spend the day discussing the tv novels with the neighbours
Cancellara's performance was really dubious but what will you conclude after that?... so stop firing acusations on every rider unless you have some concrete evidence
you dont see everyone starting a "Is Armstrong clean?" or "Is Basso clean" thread do you??
Don't like the way this discussion has come to  When I started this thread, it was just to have an opinion about a rider, because I like it, and I don't have a particular opinion on him.
I think that's not fair to say that this thread is stupid, because i just wanted to have opinions, and not arguments, but i knew that when i started this thread, there will be guys posting that it's not interesting, and so on
As for the Basso or Armstrong thread, i'd not start a thread on them, because i have my personal opinion on those
So guys, dont worry, i'll not start a thread every week on each rider of the peleton to know if he's clean or not
So, thanks for those who gave interesting opinions, instead of argueing stupidly
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-01-2009 19:40
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Don't you take it so hard. Ethics is something very concrete for German and French people, but it makes only little sense to most people in other countries (I don't like abusive globalisations, but well).
You'll always end up meeting people who don't care about dope, who don't want to hear about it, or to question what they see. It simply doesn't interest them.
That same thing makes some country very lazy when it comes to fighting doping on their ground. They'll fight it because they've been told to, but they don't feel a deep need to do it, because they don't see it as bad, simply as something forbidden.
We've to deal with it... |
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| Juan |
Posted on 15-01-2009 19:49
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Aquarius wrote:
Don't you take it so hard. Ethics is something very concrete for German and French people, but it makes only little sense to most people in other countries (I don't like abusive globalisations, but well).
You'll always end up meeting people who don't care about dope, who don't want to hear about it, or to question what they see. It simply doesn't interest them.
That same thing makes some country very lazy when it comes to fighting doping on their ground. They'll fight it because they've been told to, but they don't feel a deep need to do it, because they don't see it as bad, simply as something forbidden.
We've to deal with it...
OK. Maybe I took it hard , but it wasn't very fair |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 15-01-2009 19:51
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That's what I call a very ignorant generalization |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-01-2009 20:52
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About ethics ? I didn't mean it applied to cycling or even to sport, I meant it more generally, I mean from the philosophical point of view.
And yes, of course, there's a huge bunch of people without any morale in my country, just like there are probably many with morale in yours. |
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 15-01-2009 20:54
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Well excuse me if I'm trying to defend a sport which is falling apart but which I still admire a lot.
I just find it hard to accept that every rider that puts in a great performance gets the chance to be questioned about his professionalism!!
In my country it still exists something called respect! You're crossing its border everytime you publicly jeopardise a cyclist status or reputation. Even if he's doped you can't just come out and start a discussion on that matter just because he did his job well. If you don't have any other evidence or factor that may induce that consideration your assumption becomes disrespectful for the rider!
I don't consider this thread stupid like Ruben but I think an opinion like this can be well understood in a doping discussion. Starting a thread out of this seems to me an exageration... it just looks like everyone who performs better than had done before can be questioned!
And Aquarius I wasnt going to answer that reply but here's something just perfect:
issoisso wrote:
That's what I call a very ignorant generalization
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