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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-03-2009 12:06
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Testing's hardly ever a reliable guide, but some pointers can be taken:
- The car formerly-known-as-honda is very fast
- Ferrari is up there
- McLaren and especially Renault are in a deep, deep hole
- Toyota, Williams and Red Bull are the largest question marks
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| lagetcher |
Posted on 17-03-2009 15:50
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Article from the BBC, bringing the news I was really dreading.
Formula 1 has introduced a new points system that will result in the driver with most wins crowned world champion.
The current points system will still operate to decide a tie if two drivers have the same wins and to define all other championship positions.
Had the new rules been in place in 2008, Lewis Hamilton would have lost the title to runner-up Felipe Massa.
From 2010, there will be an optional budget cap of £30m that will reduce some teams' spending by 90%.
The new rules were approved by the World Motor Sport Council of governing body the FIA at a meeting in Paris on Tuesday.
It rejected a proposal by the F1 Teams' Association to tweak the points system to 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 from first to eighth places.
Instead, the current 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 system will stay in place.
The budget cap is an attempt to make F1 more accessible to new teams.
Teams choosing to operate within the budget cap will be allowed more technical freedom.
Those teams will be allowed: a more aerodynamically efficient (but standard) underbody; movable wings; an engine which is not subject to a rev limit or a development freeze.
Teams can choose to spend what they like, but operate within more restrictive technical rules - and therefore have a theoretically slower car.
Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone announced his intention to shake-up the points system at the end of last season.
Ecclestone's idea was to award the top three drivers with gold, silver and bronze medals with the driver capturing the most golds crowned champion.
While the medals have been abandoned the new system delivers on Ecclestone's wish of rewarding the driver with the most victories.
The F1 chief believes the new system will encourage overtaking.
"If you're in the lead and I'm second, I'm not going to take the risk of falling off the circuit or doing something stupid to get two points," Ecclestone said in November.
"If I need a gold medal to win the championship, I will overtake. It's just not on that someone can win the championship without winning a race."
However, the new system could see the season settled much earlier.
The points distribution was introduced in 2003, partly to try to ensure the world championship stayed open for longer at a time when Michael Schumacher and Ferrari were dominating the sport.
If the new system had been installed in 2008, Massa would have been crowned world champion as he won six races compared to Hamilton's five.
The FIA also announced plans to publish the weights of the cars after qualifying for each Grand Prix.
That could give a clue to which teams are using the optional kinetic energy recovery system (Kers).
Kers, which allows drivers a boost of an extra 80bhp for 6.7 seconds each lap, weighs around 35kg and could tip some cars - complete with their drivers - over the minimum weight of 605kg.
To improve clarity, wet tyres have also been renamed "intermediates" and extreme weather tyres are now called "wet".
With in-season testing now banned, the FIA will only allow teams to carry out eight one-day aerodynamic tests on a straight piece of track.
Teams will also be allowed to carry out three one-day young driver training tests between the season-ending Grand Prix and the end of the calendar year.
That's an absolutely terrible idea in my opinion. This really spoilt my day 
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 18-03-2009 19:36
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Yeah, that new point system is totaly fucked up. Now you don't need to be consistent at all, only win.
Edit: Worst of all, you can end second in every race and despite that end last in the championship. Yeah, not very likely but still...
Edited by mattiasgt on 18-03-2009 19:39
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Posted on 18-03-2009 19:42
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mattiasgt wrote:
Yeah, that new point system is totaly fucked up. Now you don't need to be consistent at all, only win.
Edit: Worst of all, you can end second in every race and despite that end last in the championship. Yeah, not very likely but still...
If you are 2nd in every race, you will still end 2nd in the championship.
The most wins will only decide the Champion, all other posititions are based on points as far as I can tell. |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 18-03-2009 19:44
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mattiasgt wrote:
Edit: Worst of all, you can end second in every race and despite that end last in the championship. Yeah, not very likely but still...
not really from what I saw on the Eurosport 2 News, didn't read the BBC thing. On Eurosport it said that the number of wins in count only for the first place. Something like if you have 5 wins you are the champion, and second isn't the one that has 4 wins, is the one who has more points after the old points scoring if got it right...
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Posted on 18-03-2009 19:54
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Okay, forgot that. But you wont win it and I think you should when you get the most points.
They should have highered the points for winning instead..
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Posted on 18-03-2009 19:59
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I am sick that Ecclestone controls the F1 the way he likes. If he wants to see crashes and drivers taking stupid risks maybe he should spend his money in truck races. |
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Posted on 18-03-2009 20:06
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acctualy I like the new rules. It could bring something interesting there. I didn't watch F1 in the last seasons cause was gettin really boring. That's why I moved to Moto GP. I'm going to watch the first race this season too see if how it is.
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| lagetcher |
Posted on 18-03-2009 20:37
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Untal is right though. Ecclestone has far too much power in the sport - I must say I can't wait until he decides to leave F1. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-03-2009 20:39
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This is possibly the only time I'll ever get to say the following sentence:
I'm heavily in favour of the FIA's decisions
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Posted on 18-03-2009 20:50
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Don't you think though that it's not a good thing at all that the season could be over with quite a few races still to go? I know that could happen anyway with the old points system, but it is so much more likely now. I don't understand it when the last two seasons have been such nail-biters at the end, and they decide to change this. What made me most annoyed actually about the points change was that they announce it so soon before the season is due to start. I would personally have much preffered the 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 proposal, because if they want to reduce the reward for consistency then this would be a much better idea. Perhaps even going back to the 10-6-4-3-2-1 would work well.
What actually worries me most though is the budget cap proposal for 2010. I really don't like the idea of two classes in the sport. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-03-2009 20:54
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lagetcher wrote:
Don't you think though that it's not a good thing at all that the season could be over with quite a few races still to go? I know that could happen anyway with the old points system, but it is so much more likely now. I don't understand it when the last two seasons have been such nail-biters at the end, and they decide to change this.
Simple: They've been just like the 2008 Tour de France: the contenders are close but it's mind-bendingly BORING because they don't do anything to change the status quo and thus things barely change throughout the competition
Nothing happens. No overtaking....no overtaking....still no overtaking....etc.
Edited by issoisso on 18-03-2009 20:55
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Posted on 18-03-2009 20:55
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I think the new rules can be fun to watch.
The only bad thing I can see with this is that I bet it is coming to be much more team orders in some way..
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Posted on 18-03-2009 20:59
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Instead of focusing on the bad parts (point system, win system) focus on the good parts, like budget cuts and stuff, that should make it much more interesting |
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| lagetcher |
Posted on 18-03-2009 20:59
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issoisso wrote:
lagetcher wrote:
Don't you think though that it's not a good thing at all that the season could be over with quite a few races still to go? I know that could happen anyway with the old points system, but it is so much more likely now. I don't understand it when the last two seasons have been such nail-biters at the end, and they decide to change this.
Simple: They've been just like the 2008 Tour de France: the contenders are close but it's mind-bendingly BORING because they don't do anything to change the status quo and thus things barely change throughout the competition
Nothing happens. No overtaking....no overtaking....still no overtaking....etc.
Fair enough. For me actually last season, like the Tour de France 2008, was exciting, but I think I'm just easily excited and love close championships 
I'm not as annoyed as I was about the new rules when I first found out. I've come to realise actually it won't make a huge difference. |
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Posted on 18-03-2009 21:02
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Ruben wrote:
Instead of focusing on the bad parts (point system, win system) focus on the good parts, like budget cuts and stuff, that should make it much more interesting
With the budget cap for next season though, I just wish every team was restricted to this, rather than it being something optional. It probably would never work like that though |
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Posted on 18-03-2009 21:05
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While I am not to bothered about the leaders as in all likelyhood it won't make any difference I do feel sorry for the small constuctors who now onlyt need a win and it is easy for them to have a strong season and come near the bottom if they don't get wins
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Posted on 18-03-2009 21:06
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mb2612 wrote:
While I am not to bothered about the leaders as in all likelyhood it won't make any difference I do feel sorry for the small constuctors who now onlyt need a win and it is easy for them to have a strong season and come near the bottom if they don't get wins
I believe the constructors championship is still based on points. |
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Posted on 18-03-2009 21:09
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lagetcher wrote:
I believe the constructors championship is still based on points.
yes it is.
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| untal |
Posted on 18-03-2009 21:26
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Ruben wrote:
Instead of focusing on the bad parts (point system, win system) focus on the good parts, like budget cuts and stuff, that should make it much more interesting
Indeed. I hope that next season will be more balanced because small teams seem to be the only benefited. |
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