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| Fabianski |
Posted on 15-03-2024 14:22
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Page completely useless once again, guess we should rather have thrown some money at another TTer ^^
But now comes the stage that really matters, so hoping Page really is the worst rider of the team here and everyone else will be in great shape! Wasn't the case in most TTs this year, but I have to hope it evens out during the season, so let's go!
Congrats to Eden. Really looks like getting a guy with good main stats only is the way to go, great job by AH this year!
All in all, completely random sprint results though, as expected. Feeling sorry for roturn mainly, but also Haller just awful.
Thanks for the report.
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| whitejersey |
Posted on 15-03-2024 14:33
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Well there's the hope of us getting anything out of this race down the drain! Completely overcooked that leadout sadly.
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| Nemolito |
Posted on 15-03-2024 14:49
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Congratulations on the win, Eden. AH should come back to us one day, as I'm sure he'll teach our future sprinters a lot  Thanks for the nice report, Abhi.
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 16-03-2024 09:11
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Thanks! And I think my boy Mo mights stick around here a bit longer
Great result for us, Dunbar 4th on the stage and 3rd in GC is perfect - but does this mean that with ~4 riders tied for time that all 4 can have their GC position change based on where they finish in the pack on the final stage? If so, Jesus Christ
Congrats Nemo, Zmorka is a proper cheat code
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| Nemolito |
Posted on 16-03-2024 09:43
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Happy to see Zmorka perform on his level and our second out of two sponsor goals so far secured great TT by Sütterlin, a shame he drops from 2nd to 5th on countback. Perhaps there's a small chance he still gains a place or two tomorrow, but at least the top-5 seems to be accomplished as well. Not superb by Sterbini in 17th, but still nice to normally win the TTT. Hopefully no accidents tomorrow and then we leave this race content! Thanks for the great report, Abhi.
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 16-03-2024 15:40
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A couple of depth GC positions from Daniel and Affini was about the best we could expect, just have to avoid dumb splits tomorrow.
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Posted on 16-11-2024 18:56
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 16-03-2024 22:37
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Well... This may have been our most important stage in the last third of the year. And we didn't fail, that's already something.
But neither did we succeed. From the outside, 3 in the Top 20 certainly sounds good. But I'm still not satisfied - as the outcome really is on the low end of expectations. With the current PCM version, TTs are pretty predictable, and a group of riders with the same TT stat often finish bulked. And so it was here, as seen with 4 guys tied for 2nd place.
Our riders all finished within their "group", so that's not the issue. But:
Rekita was 2nd to last in the 79 group.
Brunel and Bissegger were last and 2nd to last in the 78 group.
Marchewka was 3rd to last in the 77 group.
So on one hand, that's just bad luck, that easily costs 50 points compared to if we had been lucky. Unfortunately, it's been like that in pretty much every TT, except for Amissa Bongo were we had some luck.
This can obviously happen and is part of racing. What bothers me though is the OVL formula for TTers. Especially this year it has become pretty evident that if the course is more or less flat, all that matters is the TT stat. The exact time gaps etc. come down to daily form.
But in our OVL formula, we consider flat, Mo, Hi, energy stats, acceleration... All things that don't matter for TTers, at least not in flat TTs. Which obviously gives well-rounded TTers a far higher OVL value than the pure flat specialists.
I'm not saying that my riders (especially Brunel and Bissegger) should have lower OVLs. But what I'm saying is that the riders who can only TT are rated far, far too low. I mean, in which other type of HC stage race will a below 75 rider have an almost granted Top 10 GC? Of the 79 TTers that are here, only Beniusis is close to 75 - and was the one drawing the short straw, being only 10th. All 79ers except for Beniusis would actually be C2 eligible, if not for the stat restriction.
My conclusion: Given the amount of points even pure TTers can actually score, their OVL value is generally far too low. And so is their wage.
Maybe that's an element of the game that is desired (and I'm definitely benefitting from it, too). Or maybe this should be looked into (also for other riders, given the joke that is Izagirre's OVL for a rider who can win ToSA ^^). But that's probably something for the suggestions thread...
Anyway - congrats to Nemo on the expected Zmorka win, and good to see all 80 TTers in the Top 5 here. Could be another record breaking race by LPH, even though not quite as dominant as Tropicale - but with a higher points scale...
Thanks for the report.
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| whitejersey |
Posted on 17-03-2024 12:48
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Thanks for the reports Abhi, this last one was great to showcase the sprint!
Obviously very happy with the win here but must admit I am little annoyed that we finish second in the points jersey for the second race in a row  In reality we had close to nothing from this race before this stage so cannot be too upset but those extra points would have been nice in the promotion battle, which we might lose a lot of ground due to no GC points but looking at Lierse's woes on the final stage we might actually not lose too much, sadly for them.
Also must say that it's really nice that Coutinho finally decided to wake up, his output these last few races has been where we expect him to be, not consistently but in patches over the course of the season.
Commiserations to Roturn on another botched Groenewegen sprint.
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| MacC |
Posted on 17-03-2024 13:46
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My man Dylan!
Thanks Abhi and congrats Nemo. The whole dominating TTs thing is something I need to look into !
We lost some smaller points there in the split as our TT guys fell back...but can't complain with the Green Jersey and 2 podium finishes.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 17-03-2024 13:56
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Bleh
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 17-03-2024 14:25
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Congrats to Nemo on Zmorka's win and nailing your goal.
The last stage went pretty strongly in our favor with Haugard, Dillier, and Blum making the split. I did not have very high expectations for this one so to walk away with a stage podium, GC 5th and 7th, 2nd in the teams, and winning the best young rider is quite a haul for us.
Thanks for an awesome race Abhi!
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| Nemolito |
Posted on 17-03-2024 14:44
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First of all congratulations to whitejersey on the stage win and thanks again Abhi for the four very fine reports
Sütterlin winning one spot in the final stage is what we hoped, but sadly it didn't happen in the way we hoped. With Sterbini falling +-40 spots he loses his GC points and we also see some less U25 points going our way. Assa Abloy seems to be the biggest victim at first glance, conmiserations to them and others losing points this way. All in all, we leave this race content with the win and sponsor goal checked off, and with a slightly higher score than Bongo (if I'm correct).
Have to give it to Quispe, scoring 9 points in a TT race is not something for everybody. Only a living legend like him can be considered so versatile to score in simply every kind of race/stage. Probably number one target for us coming transfer window.
Thanks for the congratulations
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 17-03-2024 15:32
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Well there is the split killing our minor GC positions as I feared, but can't really complain about not protecting top 30 GC guys. Others hurt a lot worse.
Walscheid with his best sprint finish. Wasn't expecting him to also be our best GC finisher though.
Congrats to Nemo on the dominant win and has Eastman triggered a Glanbia revival?
Thanks for the reports.
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| quadsas |
Posted on 17-03-2024 18:48
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Lucky break for us I guess, Pscz really jumping far ahead in GC, we take dem extra points
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 17-03-2024 21:12
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OK, really bad joke. Can we please have the actual results now?
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 18-03-2024 01:15
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Sucks that AH couldn’t do anything any was positioned poorly, but Dunbar managed to hold his GC so all is well. AH stage win + Prasetyo managing a great finish in the u25 rankings is a perfect race for us. Congrats to Glanbia too!
Unlucky for quite a few with those splits, especially Assa losing a top-5 and Fab losing a few well placed riders as well. Really shit.
Thanks for the wonderful reports throughout the race!
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| roturn |
Posted on 18-03-2024 07:31
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Rather disappointing performance but sprinters are always a gamble. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
Here as clear favourite not even once being close to the win due to early wind was not ideal.
GC wise never was expecting anything here and even 3 Groenewegen wins would have given me enough time gap.
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| Jakstar22 |
Posted on 18-03-2024 07:50
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Well that sucked. Started decent and ended terribly
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| Blasing |
Posted on 18-03-2024 09:09
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Dissapointing through and through.
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