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Boycott Cycling Next Year?
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| Shooting Star |
Posted on 07-10-2008 16:43
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Waghlon wrote:
Boycott cycling? Yes, lets show that we indirectly support the sport by giving sponsors even less reason to put money in it 
Well, it doesn't help sponsors when their teams have doped riders either. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-10-2008 16:45
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Shooting Star wrote:
Waghlon wrote:
Boycott cycling? Yes, lets show that we indirectly support the sport by giving sponsors even less reason to put money in it
Well, it doesn't help sponsors when their teams have doped riders either.
So your solution to the problem would be to ignore it and hope it'll go away? 
If only you had no morals or ethics of any kind, you'd be perfect for either a career in management or in politics.
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Posted on 07-10-2008 16:56
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issoisso wrote:
Shooting Star wrote:
Waghlon wrote:
Boycott cycling? Yes, lets show that we indirectly support the sport by giving sponsors even less reason to put money in it
Well, it doesn't help sponsors when their teams have doped riders either.
So your solution to the problem would be to ignore it and hope it'll go away?
If only you had no morals or ethics of any kind, you'd be perfect for either a career in management or in politics.
My point is, give the sport of cycling an ultimatum. People call me naive when I said I previously rooted for Piepoli and Ricco, well you're kind of naive too if you think doping is ever going to change without a major overhaul. There have been extensive dope testing for many years, but has it improved much? No, some cyclists still resort to doping. If we exclude one rider, a new one will come and replace him. For the last 3-4 years now before the TdF, I've heard the experts say "this TdF is going to be clean." I have yet to see it happen.
By all means, don't get me wrong here, I do think dope testing is valuable to get the bad seeds out of the sport. But the reason why they do it still remains; big contracts and prizes. And as long as that still stands at the finish line, some cyclists will take shortcuts to reach it.
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 07-10-2008 16:57
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So you want to turn cycling into an amateur sport again basically?
THE THOMAS VOECKLER PROPHET OF PCM DAILY
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| Shooting Star |
Posted on 07-10-2008 16:58
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Waghlon wrote:
So you want to turn cycling into an amateur sport again basically?
No. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-10-2008 16:59
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That would accomplish nothing. There are no big prizes or contracts in amateur cycling and a substantial percentage still dope.
To remove doping, you'd have to remove winning.
So our only hope is that one day the substances that can't be traced are so few that doping or not doping will have a marginal effect on race performance. |
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| Shooting Star |
Posted on 07-10-2008 17:07
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There's many ways of looking at it and this was just voicing my opinion on a possible solution. If it's right or wrong, if it gets the job done or not, I guess we'll never know. I just want to get rid of doping as much as the next guy. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 07-10-2008 17:09
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boycotting cycling will achieve nothing in the wide world. You'd just follow a sport that's equally as doped, because they all are. Just cycling is exposing the cheaters and not keeping them quiet.
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| p3druh |
Posted on 07-10-2008 20:34
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issoisso wrote:
If only you had no morals or ethics of any kind, you'd be perfect for either a career in management or in politics.
So... Stereotyping is the game, eih? In that case, knowing you went to FEUP, I can safely say that you are 1,65m tall, skinny as hell, you wear glasses and have the social abilities of a 2-year-old, which, in turn, means that you spend most of your time playing "Magic the Gathering" with your 3 friends, in some dark basement. You pretty much avoid human contact with every one other than your family, meaning that the only social activity you ever participated on was, well, your birth.
Hear that everyone? Issoisso's a nerd.
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Posted on 07-10-2008 20:46
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I used to think management stereotypes were funny and wrong too.
Then I started working.
Not so much in Portugal, but the foreigners....egads, the managers and bosses are evil. EVIL.
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 07-10-2008 22:33
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Boycott cycling?
No way! It's a great sport! The doping issues will always be there I'm sure! Afterall, people are passionate, and academic things like moral and ethics is easily dismissed if you really want to win and/or be the best!
Only thing to do is to look at our selfs, and our own actions. Remember, it's the ones cheating that are having problems. Not the others. |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 08-10-2008 07:08
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brun sweater wrote:
Boycott cycling?
No way! It's a great sport! The doping issues will always be there I'm sure! Afterall, people are passionate, and academic things like moral and ethics is easily dismissed if you really want to win and/or be the best!
Only thing to do is to look at our selfs, and our own actions. Remember, it's the ones cheating that are having problems. Not the others.
you are putting it in the wrong perspective. the winners never had academic ethics 
but i agree bocotting wouldn't change anything. the will just dope more in other sports
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
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Posted on 08-10-2008 07:46
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NoI'm not wrong, you may disagree with my conclusion though!
Of course the winners have ethics. They are normal human beings. They just have a desire to win that overrules those ethics, and furthermore, they're part of a culture where winning is all that counts. Hell, we're all part of a culture where winning is all that counts! They just do what it takes to win in their field! |
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Posted on 08-10-2008 07:52
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I'm starting to fear , that clean cycling will never exist :s
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 08-10-2008 07:55
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oh but it does excist. I ride my bike every week, and I'm clean as a whistle. |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 08-10-2008 07:58
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i mean on the highest level.
i read stories in the newspapers of kids getting doped by their father 
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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Posted on 08-10-2008 07:58
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Maybe you have a cold or any sort of disease that requires you to take some medicine, you'd be amazed to notice how many of those light medicines are forbidden.
I always check the papers with the medicines (and I don't like taking them generally speaking), even though I don't race any more. |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 08-10-2008 08:01
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Aquarius wrote:
Maybe you have a cold or any sort of disease that requires you to take some medicine, you'd be amazed to notice how many of those light medicines are forbidden.
I always check the papers with the medicines (and I don't like taking them generally speaking), even though I don't race any more.
rigth thats my point too. if you would know what kinds of medicine enhance your performaces, you would be amazed.
in my times of cycling, we were always send some sort of brochure ( at the beginning of the season) with the forbidden products. mainly focussed on medicine.
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 08-10-2008 08:08
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well, I sometimes smoke some grass, so there's no hope I guess.
And doping up kids is a waste of money, and very stupid. Proper training will get you just as far (almost). When still growing it's even dangerous to your childs development. You should first start the serious doping when reaching your potential. Of course though, if your kid is lazy, it might help |
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| jacknic |
Posted on 08-10-2008 08:13
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That's because fanboys keep saying "I'm 100% sure Andy Schleck [just an example, could be any other rider] is clean" when in reality the only reason for them to think that rider is clean is that they love that rider.
It is not always only a matter of fanboyism. I need to believe that a rider is clean in order to fully support him. Sure there will be cases where it will be impossible to ignore the smoke like with Ricco. But when the smoke are rumors and pure speculation, I choose not to believe them until there is more substatial evidence. I have not the mental capacity to keep track of the GC if I have to take into account the many more or less substatiated rumors floating around.
As for Vande Velde, to be honest I don't really trust him, but he's got the benefit of the doubt, since I don't have that much evidence against him. He's ridden for US Postal and CSC, two teams which have or had team doping systems. He's even stronger now, when simply his age should start making him worst. Of course now he's a leader when he was only a domestique before, so that might explain a part of the performance boost.
Please don't present your oppinion as fact. You are one of the more knowledgeable posters on here so people will tend to believe your posts. The fact of the matter is that implying that Vandevelde is doped because of his former teams who MIGHT have had systematic doping is out of line.
I know we've had this sort of discussion before, but if you apply that kind of logic, every single rider is suspect.
Edited by jacknic on 08-10-2008 08:14
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