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Xavier
kadel wrote:
Rabobank said they would shut down if the court decided the team management had known about Rasmussen's whereabouts. Which the court certainly has done. So now we just have to wait for Rabobank's decision and see if Rasmussen has destroyed dutch cycling and a big sponsor in cycling..


lol, like they will stop sponsoring, get real
 
Mads_0
MortChill wrote:
kadel wrote:
Rabobank said they would shut down if the court decided the team management had known about Rasmussen's whereabouts. Which the court certainly has done. So now we just have to wait for Rabobank's decision and see if Rasmussen has destroyed dutch cycling and a big sponsor in cycling..


lol, like they will stop sponsoring, get real


Well, that was the announcement from Rabobank(the sponsor, not the team) a little while ago. If it was revealed that the team had been aware of Rasmussens true whereabouts and the drug test he missed, they would pull all sponsoring of both the ProTour, Continental and National teams. Also, they would no longer sponsor cycling events or smaller teams around the country.

That's what they said
Edited by Mads_0 on 02-07-2008 11:20
 
helGn
they said they couldnt afford to continue if rasmussen won the trial, he did however got just over 10% of what he wanted so i dont think they will close the shop
 
kadel
no it was not about money. Rabobank is one of the biggest banks in Europe... They said if the court decided Breukink knew where Rasmussen really was, they would fold up and leave cycling altogether. Protour team gone, Continental team gone and all sponsoring for dutch races gone, including dutch national teams.

Breukink and the Rabobank team's management should all resign in hope of saving the team and dutch cycling.
 
helGn
you're prolly right about that but what is the verdic of the jury? since they only decided they had to pay 750k and not 6mill they cant be all pro rasmussen?
 
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kadel
Rasmussen is to be given the 400 000 Euros he would have got for winning the Tour de France and 2 months salary. That is as much as he could have gotten I think. So the court definitely ruled in favour of Rasmussen and also ruled that Breukink and the team management knew where Rasmussen was.
 
Xavier
Mads_0 wrote:
MortChill wrote:
kadel wrote:
Rabobank said they would shut down if the court decided the team management had known about Rasmussen's whereabouts. Which the court certainly has done. So now we just have to wait for Rabobank's decision and see if Rasmussen has destroyed dutch cycling and a big sponsor in cycling..


lol, like they will stop sponsoring, get real


Well, that was the announcement from Rabobank(the sponsor, not the team) a little while ago. If it was revealed that the team had been aware of Rasmussens true whereabouts and the drug test he missed, they would pull all sponsoring of both the ProTour, Continental and National teams. Also, they would no longer sponsor cycling events or smaller teams around the country.

That's what they said


but that already came to light (that the team knew about his whereabouts) when they organised some independent examination themselves which came to the same conclusion
it ended with them making some 'reorganisations' in the structure of the team so that such a thing wouldnt be able to occur in the future again
they wont quit cycling man, thats just bs Smile
 
Rin
Petacchi signed at LPR for 2009 for 2 years

Also Milram is interested since it´s a german team , in every german talented rider , van Gerwen named Ciolek and Gerdemann for example (I think Wegmann would be better Smile )

Also I heard that Rabobank must pay 700.000 because of some "not helded terms" , also Rasmussens removal as legal , so I think Rabobank wouldn´t shut down , 700.000 is peanuts for a great bank , I think they would shut down if Rasmussens removal was illegal and they must pay 5,5 Million Euros?
 
kadel
It's a question of integrity. If Breukink and the team management knew where Rasmussen was, the Rabobank team and Rabobank as a sponsor would have lost their integrity within the world of professional cycling. I don't think it's a question of money.
 
jacknic
Now that we have the courts word that Rabobank knew about Michael Rasmussens whereabouts and his missed tests, I have to ask again: Why were Rabobank not excluded from the Tour? How did they disgrace the Tour any less than Astana?
 
issoisso

The director of a World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) accredited laboratory has strongly criticised a recent scientific article which cast doubt on WADA's urine test for erythropoeitin (EPO), calling the study "scientifically unacceptable" and asking for its retraction. In the paper, which appears in the latest edition of the Journal of Applied Physiology (JAP), Danish researchers describe inconsistencies in the results of urine tests for recombinant human erythropoeitin between two different WADA-accredited laboratories.

Wilhelm Schänzer, director of the Laboratory for Doping Analysis in Cologne, Germany, said that the results of the study were "factually wrong, demonstrate great ignorance regarding the criticised method and the operations of doping control laboratories, and are based on a serious lack of careful examination of provided data".

In the report, two WADA labs (A and B) were sent samples from athletes before EPO administration, during a "boosting" phase (5,000 IU of EPO every other day), during a "maintenance" phase (dose given every 7th day) and post-treatment after the EPO administration had ceased.

Laboratory A found all boosting phase, six maintenance phase and two post-treatment samples to be positive for EPO, while Laboratory B failed to declare a single sample to be positive. The study was widely interpreted to mean that athletes could dope with EPO and escape detection.

Schänzer emphatically denied the accuracy of the study, saying that the Danish scientists misrepresented why the samples were being sent to "Laboratory B". In a letter to the editors of the JAP, he explained that the lab was not aware that the results would be published, and was under the impression that the samples did not come from athletes. The results, he said, "were not obtained by means of the accredited method for urine analysis," which means they were not subjected to the normal procedure for anti-doping controls.

The samples were only subjected to a "screening" analysis, according to Schänzer. The lab did not report any positives because a full procedure including the inspection of the results by a second laboratory would have needed to have been performed to declare a sample positive. Instead, samples which showed the presence of EPO were deemed "suspicious" - 15 samples were given this designation.

A true anti-doping control would be given either a negative, adverse, or atypical analytical finding, and Schänzer explained that the term "suspicious" is not used in a doping control analysis report. That word was used to underscore the fact that the results were not an analytical finding.

"Obviously the authors (and reviewers/advisors) were not familiar with rules and wordings commonly applied in doping control laboratories. This ignorance has led to wrong interpretations of results and caused a serious damage to the reputation of the rHuEpo detection method, the doping control system as well as laboratory B," Schänzer complained.

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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
 
Mads_0
Looks like Gerolsteiner have given up their hunt for a new sponsor.
The riders have been given the okay to engage in talks with other teams and will probably be considered as contract-free.

Hans-Michael Holczer stated that originally he had plans to announce the closing of the team now, but they're hoping that a good tour will attract the attention of a sponsor. So unless Gerolsteiner snag a new sponsor during the tour the team will probably close down after the Tour de France and the riders will be free agent.
 
jacknic
Good thing the danish researchers are keeping WADA on their toes. First Damsgaards blast, and now this. And now you can really see that WADA is also a political institution, without the ability to admit mistakes. That worries me a bit.
 
doddy13
RockRoad Racing have been invited to the Tour of Britiain.... oh yippie Rolling Eyes
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
 
jacknic
Pat McQaid has been asked not to attend the Tour de France. IMO this is a really classless act by ASO. They show absolutely no intention of negotiating a solution in the dispute with the UCI.

I know that UCI has also been playing hard ball, but McQauid has said, that he hopes for an exciting clean Tour, so there is some signs of an olive branch from his part.

Both parties need to grow the f**k up and fast. This silly childish fight does nothing good for the sport, that people already have a hard time taking seriously.
 
soda
Starting from next season, Cofidis won't be a pro tour team anymore. They descided to move to a pro contintental team instead.

Reason: they wanna focus on the races, in the countries where cofidis is on the credit market.
 
doddy13
www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/imageBank/g/garmin-jersey2.jpg

i... like it
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
 
jacknic
Lance Armstrong is at it again: This time he states that CSC Saxo Bank and Rabobank should not be starting the tour when Astana is out. I get the Rabobank part, but why CSC Saxo?
 
aavf
It's better than the previous.
 
mattiasgt
jacknic wrote:
Lance Armstrong is at it again: This time he states that CSC Saxo Bank and Rabobank should not be starting the tour when Astana is out. I get the Rabobank part, but why CSC Saxo?


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