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Astana in Tour de France?
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 16-05-2008 19:56
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what is beneath the kazakhstani governement?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-05-2008 20:00
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
what is beneath the kazakhstani governement?
let me get back to you on that...
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| ladagnous |
Posted on 16-05-2008 20:09
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if ASO refused the french governement would probably do them a "suprise" controle fiscal which means that they would go trough all their acount down to the toilet paper they buy and probably find something wrong anf give them the choice between acepting astana or having a fine or god knows what else |
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| mrlol |
Posted on 16-05-2008 20:28
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The tour isnt part of the UCI canlendar anymore rigth? (I know one or two ASO races where set beack but not the tour rigth?) it's organized under the frensh law.
now, if the ASO doesnt agree with the frensh governevent, they wont allow the race to be held under french law. which means the end of the tour. for this year at least.
Kazachstan and/or Astana are playing this game dirty. Anything connected to Kazaksthan should not be thrusted in any way, their capital is the center of whatever is bad which is named Astana. do you see the link?
last year the ASO made the mistake inviting Astana. they wont make the same mistake again by own choice. you can be sure of that.
Astana in the Tour means bad things have happend and will continue to happen.
This is a real bad thing for Contador, Leipheimer, Kloden(allways on the wrong team, innocent or not) and especially Bruyneel. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 16-05-2008 20:37
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well it was a stupid thing for all them to sign for astana (im sure just for the money) as the team have such a tarnished record
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| mrlol |
Posted on 16-05-2008 20:38
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
well it was a stupid thing for all them to sign for astana (im sure just for the money) as the team have such a tarnished record
I bet it wasnt stupid, but just to stay alive. (dont take this one litteraly, but you get the idea) |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-05-2008 20:43
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Even Rominger himself told them not to sign for Astana...
speaking of Rominger, does anyone know if he's got anymore clients now? he used to be the agent of more than 20 riders, but they were all caught for doping, and only Contador and Kloden are left. Unless of couse he "signed" more riders, which is what I'm asking.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 16-05-2008 20:53
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mrlol wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
well it was a stupid thing for all them to sign for astana (im sure just for the money) as the team have such a tarnished record
I bet it wasnt stupid, but just to stay alive. (dont take this one litteraly, but you get the idea)
surely a the most recent tdf winner could get a team
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 16-05-2008 21:11
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issoisso wrote:
Crommy wrote:
I vaguely remember that the Kazakh people never knew about Vino doping.
He is a national hero, as is this team, of course Kazakhstan wants there cycling team in the Tour de France - and given it is a dictatorship (well, it's very undemocratic there), they want to prove to the world how great they are 
They eventually found out. The (government-controlled) news all over the country spend most of the time saying that "it's a plot because europeans hate kazakhstanis".
A Danish reporter were in the country after Vinokourov had been thrown out, and he interviewed people who didn't believe him at all until he showed them some French and English newspapers. They all thought he was about to win Le Tour. It was a sad clip, but yet really funny too. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 16-05-2008 21:17
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
mrlol wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
well it was a stupid thing for all them to sign for astana (im sure just for the money) as the team have such a tarnished record
I bet it wasnt stupid, but just to stay alive. (dont take this one litteraly, but you get the idea)
surely a the most recent tdf winner could get a team
Not so surely..he wanted to much money, had probably some special demandings for the team, and most of the teams just dont wanted him..even he was young fresh TdF winning superstar..you know why? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-05-2008 21:19
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I really don't think he wanted that much money. not more than he deserved, certainly. I'm pretty sure he was intent on following Bruyneel.
That said, he's at the team with the biggest budget. I don't know what his salary is, but I doubt it trumps the enormity (2.7 million) that Valverde makes.
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Posted on 16-05-2008 22:11
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issoisso wrote:
Even Rominger himself told them not to sign for Astana...
speaking of Rominger, does anyone know if he's got anymore clients now? he used to be the agent of more than 20 riders, but they were all caught for doping, and only Contador and Kloden are left. Unless of couse he "signed" more riders, which is what I'm asking.
Isn't he also managing Cadel Evans? And Michael Rogers?
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| Immortal |
Posted on 16-05-2008 22:17
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It`s a nice conspiracy theory, but sounds a bit to crazy to be true...
Personally, I think it`s quite obvious why Astana was invited to the Giro. The Giro and the Tour had probobly made a "pact" and decided to not invite Astana whatsoever to show the world that they are against dopeheads.
But, in the last minute before the tour, RSC got a naughty idea. They decided to invite Astana anyway. And with only one week left to the tour, ASO had no time to react.
It`s quite an ingenius idea really. Beacause of all the trouble Astana created in the Tour last year, there is no way whatsoever that ASO will dear to invite them. While The Giro goes out as the winning side, gaining a better starting-field than The Tour and much more publicity than they would elsewide have gotten. So ASO is screwed.
That`s only my guesses anyway...
Edited by Immortal on 16-05-2008 22:19
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| tate |
Posted on 16-05-2008 23:59
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I think Immprtal has the right idea of what happened the giro seen the chance to get all of astana's 3 main riders in the field. The giro has the strongest starting field of all grand tours meaning the sponsors get more publicity therefore more money for the orginizers. If there is any chance of Astana in the tour Contador will withdrawn from the Giro. But i really dont think it will happen this year. But they will be back in 2009 with an even stronger team with an increased budget to go for all the grand tours. As they will have a Giro title to defend and try to win back the Tour with Contador |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 17-05-2008 00:00
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ratate wrote:
As they will have a Giro title to defend and try to win back the Tour with Contador
Calling the race already? |
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| matt493 |
Posted on 17-05-2008 01:21
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They WILL win. And I don't care how much pressure they get. If ASO was told they would be nuclear bombed if they didn't accept Astana then they would still not accept Astana. I'm not saying these rumors are false but if they are true it won't matter.
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