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Richeze caught on doping
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| ruben |
Posted on 10-05-2008 10:57
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Aquarius wrote:
Steroids, testosterone, amphetamines, etc. All those riders caught lately have been using such things. The kind of stuff you get on your own and use on your own, the things that can easily be found.
It's a good thing those riders are caught, still it's crap and cheap doping compared to what is used by the big names. Few big names have been caught this season. Last season there was Vino & Kash, but that's all.
I trust blood passport and police raids more, or even medias when a federation is trying to save one of its favourites' ass. So what you are saying is, you hope all big names in cycling get caught, so we can watch mediocre sucky riders rule?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-05-2008 11:00
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Ruben wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Steroids, testosterone, amphetamines, etc. All those riders caught lately have been using such things. The kind of stuff you get on your own and use on your own, the things that can easily be found.
It's a good thing those riders are caught, still it's crap and cheap doping compared to what is used by the big names. Few big names have been caught this season. Last season there was Vino & Kash, but that's all.
I trust blood passport and police raids more, or even medias when a federation is trying to save one of its favourites' ass. So what you are saying is, you hope all big names in cycling get caught, so we can watch mediocre sucky riders rule?
Weird thought
the strength of the top riders right now is nowhere near the strength of top riders in recent years. Yet the races aren't less exciting because of it.
So that's basically a moot point in my view, because what will dictate a race's excitement is the relative performance between riders.
A race with 100 guys at 30km/h is far more exciting than a race with 99 guys at 50 and 1 at 55. 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-05-2008 11:10
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Ruben wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Steroids, testosterone, amphetamines, etc. All those riders caught lately have been using such things. The kind of stuff you get on your own and use on your own, the things that can easily be found.
It's a good thing those riders are caught, still it's crap and cheap doping compared to what is used by the big names. Few big names have been caught this season. Last season there was Vino & Kash, but that's all.
I trust blood passport and police raids more, or even medias when a federation is trying to save one of its favourites' ass. So what you are saying is, you hope all big names in cycling get caught, so we can watch mediocre sucky riders rule?
Weird thought issoisso explained it well. You find X or Y is a sucky rider because he gets owned by A or B who is blatantly using loads of dope whereas X or Y is clean. Their suckiness is relative. All pros are exceptional human beings (from a genetic point of view, they all have that thing more we don't have, at least I).
So you'd be pissed to see X or Y win because he used to get average results ?
Maybe, but maybe not, had A or B been clean they would still have been stronger than X or Y, that we can't know, and I can't even be arsed to think about it.
There's no way I can be happy we a cheater winning.
What makes a rider good or sucky is his palmares, the way he gets it (his tactics), not his strength or how fast he wins it.
Edited by Aquarius on 10-05-2008 11:26
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 10-05-2008 11:36
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how about this a lifetime ban for all dopers?
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-05-2008 11:52
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For sure we'd get rid of those caught and they wouldn't cheat again.
Though... There are good arguments against. First is that countries with death penalty sentences don't have less criminality that countries without it. Second is that it's the proper of human beings to make mistakes and learn from them. That you cheated once doesn't necessarily mean you'll cheat again once you're caught. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-05-2008 12:02
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Aquarius wrote:
For sure we'd get rid of those caught and they wouldn't cheat again.
Though... There are good arguments against. First is that countries with death penalty sentences don't have less criminality that countries without it. Second is that it's the proper of human beings to make mistakes and learn from them. That you cheated once doesn't necessarily mean you'll cheat again once you're caught.
But that's a different situation. In most people's cases, either you steal or you can't support yourself or your family. And the death penalty is mostly for the sort of crime that comes from life-ending hatred and anger.
Doping is nothing of the sort. A lifetime ban would cut the number of dopers a bit. Not a lot, but a bit.
And most do come back to dope. Do you honestly expect, for example Basso, to be any different?
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 10-05-2008 13:23
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yea, its not like you're gonna die if you don't win.
i hope it isn't like that
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 10-05-2008 14:56
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Banning dopers for life is too harsh in my opinion. We have to remember that they wouldn't even be able to compete at the lowest national levels. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 10-05-2008 15:29
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Exactly - can you get a better deterrent?
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| rodda |
Posted on 10-05-2008 16:48
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i agree crommy. if people are gonna cheat why let them back in.
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 10-05-2008 18:11
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Because we're not perfect ourselves?
Edited by brun sweater on 10-05-2008 18:12
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