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| Scorchio |
Posted on 21-02-2015 14:11
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Intresting first stage that has already set this race up to be great viewing. Valencia with an excellent showing for Nutresa being up front all day long, just falling short of adding to his 4 stage victory tally for the season. Claiming the jerseys is nice all the same! Valencia has demonstrated this kind of preofessionalism all season long, securing him verbal agreement on a contract extension months ago.
Surprised that ONCE didn't (apparently) make much of a contribution to the chase with their strength in depth here, leaving it to Siam who had less firepower to call upon, hence struggled to close down the gap. Giving a couple of minutes advantage to the likes of our own Valencia is pretty manageable given the upcoming parcours over the next 5 days, but giving a similar advantage to dangerous 2nd-line favourites like Rodriguez and Godoy is a big surprise. With Valencia up front, it put our own GC riders in a bit of a quandry. Road captain Ibanez made the (correct) decision that it was not our responsibility to contribute on this particular day.
Race set up nicely now! Look forward to more quality TSMoha reports.
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 21-02-2015 14:30
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Fun start to the race. Going to be interesting to see if Godoy and Rodriguez can hold onto to the advantage they picked up.
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| NTTHRASH |
Posted on 21-02-2015 16:46
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Great job by Lammertink today! Great riding! 
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 21-02-2015 17:24
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Really hope this wont be GC deciding...
Anyway good to see several of my riders up there in the pelotons finish
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| cio93 |
Posted on 21-02-2015 17:41
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Azteca making a late bid for promotion!
Also Scorchio could you please tell me how you get your riders to join so many winning breaks??
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 21-02-2015 17:58
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cio93 wrote:
Azteca making a late bid for promotion!
Also Scorchio could you please tell me how you get your riders to join so many winning breaks??
You surely mean Euskaltel and LLSanchez 
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| dev4ever |
Posted on 21-02-2015 19:33
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Not the start that we were looking, dissapointed by the team really that they didnt chase more really :/ What's the point of having a superior team if still nobody can make a use of their abilities? Hoping for better things to come and I pray to god that we don't continue like this on the further stages..
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 21-02-2015 19:44
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Duenas with a good 3rd. A top 5 GC would be great.
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 22-02-2015 00:16
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Fantastic start! Jackson had a great ride, and with the local Ardilla sitting in the wings, it was a great time for a move and payed off. His terrific sprinting ability able to decide the race at the line as well.
Obviously still lots of climbing to go, but I think we have a very strong team here able to hold onto this advantage.
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 22-02-2015 12:14
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While it sucks for realism to have such a bug group of sub-top favourites at the finish it's good to see that CAS at least hung in there after a highly invisible stage.
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 22-02-2015 12:32
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At least Montenegro hold on to the favourites...
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| The Rider |
Posted on 22-02-2015 12:33
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A hilly stage and Rodriguez (64 HILL STAT), yes 64, yes look it up, 64, finishes in 9th. Really feel bad for the likes of Evonik who are losing out because of this. 
But that wasn't even the real bad AI, the bad AI was the fact the early breakaway had '51 with 8 KM to go, and most of the favourites ended up losing 1'09 to the early break, a steady tempo on the climb should be able to reduce such a gap even with a decent break.
On the positive Godoy is still just '8 off the race lead, if that stage was considered mountainous perhaps stage 4 will be considered hilly?
Nutresa: How do you make so many winning breaks? Euskaltel have profited most from being in the early breaks but it wouldn't surprise me if Nutresa had been apart of more winning ones. |
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 22-02-2015 12:56
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nice to see my riders active there, shows there's still some fight in them as they were totally invisible yesterday which was worrying me. Even though they still finished in the big group they at least tried today which suggests they have at least some form and that they might be able to get a decent result for us.
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| dev4ever |
Posted on 22-02-2015 13:47
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Won't be easy for Arroyo to grab 2 minutes on Rodrigues now. It's still gonna be a tight fight for the rest of the podium it seems. Just a shame to miss out on our only win goal and now a 4/5 seems more realistic with pretty easy goals I'd say
Still, go Arroyo. Get yourself a stage win atleast!!
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 22-02-2015 14:45
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Shades of Monfort and Schleck there. Nice strategy from the winning side.
Also nice to see Raisin running well. |
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| Scorchio |
Posted on 22-02-2015 17:53
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Another interesting stage for Nutresa with a presence in the break - Like Valencia yesterday, Masuda has been a serial offender at infiltrating the break this season  . Disappointing that Beltran hung back for Valencia - a bit of inexperience showing; think we would have the team lead if he had not done so, and we already talked through that Valencia's overall hopes are very limited. Oh well!
Another top quality report by the way.
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| Scorchio |
Posted on 22-02-2015 18:02
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The Rider wrote:
A hilly stage and Rodriguez (64 HILL STAT), yes 64, yes look it up, 64, finishes in 9 th. Really feel bad for the likes of Evonik who are losing out because of this.
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Nutresa: How do you make so many winning breaks? Euskaltel have profited most from being in the early breaks but it wouldn't surprise me if Nutresa had been apart of more winning ones.
On the first point, this stage must have been pretty near 50:50 Hill:Mtn, so Rodriguez would be compensated by his mountain prowess + the jersey factor I would have suggested.
On the second point, I like to think (hope) that it reflects rider selection and team composition. In the break today, the riders had something like 74, 72 and 67 for fighter stat. They are also not the team leaders for their squad, being luxury domestiques, so can afford to make early moves, but are still strong riders in a CT context.
Across this season we have had the likes of Masuda, Valencia, Zabalo and Golas make many good moves - they all have high fighter, and the like of Valencia/Masuda are good enough to be team leaders on some CT teams in their favoured terrain (both 74), so not surprising that if in a break they have a good conversion ratio. Again, they are generally not our team leader in that particular race so have more freedom. Additionally, in hilly terrain for instance, we often start with a squad where all riders have 70+ in the hill stat, so even the weakest popping up in a break is half decent (again in CT context). I still think that Euskatel are by far the kings of the breakaway in the CT though - they've had more results, and often with relatively weak riders popping up from time to time.
That's my thesis anyway!
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 22-02-2015 18:07
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I would guess that having lots of depth and only subtop leaders would be the way to do it. That way it doesn't matter which of your riders gets in the break, he will still be a decent shout for the stage out of those in it and can help contribute to it staying away and you've not got a big leader like Arroyo or Rodrigues that your depth of riders would be tied up working for.
And if you do have your second and third best riders having to work for your leader then your 4th best is free and he's about as good as the second or third best of other teams so about equal to those domestiques likely to be chasing him.
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 22-02-2015 19:46
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Another day in the lead for Rodriguez, I'd rather not lose minutes to other contenders but so long as we keep that jersey I'm happy.
(As a note, perhaps raising the rider limit to 8 riders per race would make a huge difference, that would give each team one more man of firepower to help bring back breakaways which might make a big difference. With this change also increase the rider limit and money for CT teams to help compensate.)
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 22-02-2015 20:13
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Well, maybe, Kent... On the other hand: Avenir was one of the biggest breakaway festivals this year (9 riders per team) and so was Tour of Britain (8) so it ain't just the strength in numbers, but several more factors.
Next report may be online already today, btw. If there's interest
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