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General Story Discussion Thread (PCM 2014)
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 18-06-2014 21:28
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do whatever you like, if you make stories for other people your doing something wrong in my opinion and won't have motivation for long
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 18-06-2014 21:31
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
Too many different one-rider stories (with literally the same thing & point just in different form in all of them) that having a nice, peaceful team-story that was supposed to be normal back in recent past, became different.
what do you expect, it's currently the most populair form of story. otherwise these type of stories wouldn't have be story of the month five times in a row.
Not sure if that's a good reasoning. Nearly nobody makes a team story anyway, so it's not likely to win an award 
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| Mresuperstar |
Posted on 18-06-2014 22:36
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I find that it goes in cycles. Started with team stories then one-rider emerged, and it continues to go back and forth. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a few great team stories in the next few months.
Also, new Story Spotlight is up. Check it out. The buy PCM14 news is sticky to the top so it's the 2nd news article at the moment. 
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| Maddox |
Posted on 19-06-2014 07:23
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
do whatever you like, if you make stories for other people your doing something wrong in my opinion and won't have motivation for long
I'm doing it for myself. I just don't have the perfect idea yet. That's why I want to hear if You have one. |
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| nacho63 |
Posted on 19-06-2014 17:40
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Wrote the next post for my story and when I click post, it logged me out   |
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| Wumble |
Posted on 19-06-2014 17:58
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admirschleck wrote:
Too many different one-rider stories (with literally the same thing & point just in different form in all of them) that having a nice, peaceful team-story that was supposed to be normal back in recent past, became different.
I think thats a pretty dumb thing to say, of course the one-rider stories have the same point, just like the team stories have the same point, becoming the best (team or rider). Also i think that most of the stories (or atleast the ones i have seen) are all unique and is written in different styles. Also in my own story ive been trying to be original and unique so it isnt just the same swim as always. The main reason for not doing a team story is because, atleast for what i think, is that it will take too long compared to a one-rider story. In a one-rider story you only have to cover the races your rider is in, while in team stories you have to ride about every race (or just the major once atleast), which causes the one-rider stories to go for more seasons than the team stories. Also the one-rider story gives an insight in the riders mind, which you dont have in a team story.
Thats just my thoughts anyway.
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| rogvi97 |
Posted on 19-06-2014 23:57
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GIVE US REALNAME DATABASE!!
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 20-06-2014 00:02
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rogvi97 wrote:
GIVE US REALNAME DATABASE!!
in a thread where we discuss story ideas, is surely the best place to ask 
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 20-06-2014 00:14
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I was just thinking about the large number of one-rider stories earlier today. Clearly many people jumping onto the band wagon that was forged by Ian and Mre and others this year. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that either. It just makes it harder for your story to stand out, so you have to work harder to make it unique and worth reading first over the competition. This could be done by picking a unique or different rider, or layout, or story line. It will be interesting to see how various writers handle this in a competitive story genre.
Doesn't make it easy for a team story. You still need quality to get the interest but you don't have to be as unique overall. I don't think it will be too long before a couple of stand out stories appear in either genre and start to dominate the sub-forums. For one-rider stories we can kind of tell who that will be lead by, but for team stories that spot is open to more people currently
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 20-06-2014 00:19
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TheManxMissile wrote:
I was just thinking about the large number of one-rider stories earlier today. Clearly many people jumping onto the band wagon that was forged by Ian and Mre and others this year. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that either. It just makes it harder for your story to stand out, so you have to work harder to make it unique and worth reading first over the competition. This could be done by picking a unique or different rider, or layout, or story line. It will be interesting to see how various writers handle this in a competitive story genre.
Doesn't make it easy for a team story. You still need quality to get the interest but you don't have to be as unique overall. I don't think it will be too long before a couple of stand out stories appear in either genre and start to dominate the sub-forums. For one-rider stories we can kind of tell who that will be lead by, but for team stories that spot is open to more people currently
I think it goes back further than last year.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 20-06-2014 00:21
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I know one-rider stories go further, but the recent rise in popularity and stories is more strongly linked to Mre and Ian than to David or Dominic
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| Mresuperstar |
Posted on 20-06-2014 00:23
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But I was strongly influenced by valv and cunego so... They deserve some of the credit too. 
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 20-06-2014 00:24
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TheManxMissile wrote:
I was just thinking about the large number of one-rider stories earlier today. Clearly many people jumping onto the band wagon that was forged by Ian and Mre and others this year. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that either. It just makes it harder for your story to stand out, so you have to work harder to make it unique and worth reading first over the competition. This could be done by picking a unique or different rider, or layout, or story line. It will be interesting to see how various writers handle this in a competitive story genre.
Doesn't make it easy for a team story. You still need quality to get the interest but you don't have to be as unique overall. I don't think it will be too long before a couple of stand out stories appear in either genre and start to dominate the sub-forums. For one-rider stories we can kind of tell who that will be lead by, but for team stories that spot is open to more people currently
Why do you keep underrating other stories? In my opinion, there are already some great one-rider stories, that, to be honest, both graphically and text-wise, can be a great competition to Two of Us.
Also agree with Valv on his point.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 20-06-2014 00:28
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TheManxMissile wrote:
I know one-rider stories go further, but the recent rise in popularity and stories is more strongly linked to Mre and Ian than to David or Dominic
It goes back further than that 
When I started my Ryder Hesjedal story in 2010, it was pretty much the only active One Rider story. I got out-voted by an ineligible Dan Martin story thats how bad it was.
They have always been slowly growing in popularity imo and the reason for it is because Team stories are becoming too generic.
Make intro -> ride races -> report races
One rider stories allow the writer to invest themselves more into the character of their story. There is more to them than just playing PCM and reporting.
Team stories are a lot easier to follow though.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 20-06-2014 00:30
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They have always been slowly growing in popularity imo and the reason for it is because Team stories are becoming too generic.
Make intro -> ride races -> report races
I should re-try Vrere Obscurement some time...
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 20-06-2014 00:40
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Mresuperstar wrote:
But I was strongly influenced by valv and cunego so... They deserve some of the credit too.
Damn straight we do
Nah, I guess there always have been both kinds of stories (The Danish Puncheur started in early 2008, for instance), and for a long time, the team stories prevailed, now it's the other way around.
I think what valv said is probably the main reason, a story needs the readers to be involved. And for that you need to have a certain development -> the story needs to last long. That was the case for the likes of Dark Dog or Monster Energy, but few team stories made it past the first few months, while Ian's stories for instance reached the second year in a matter of days or a few weeks.
But I think it's very possible that the things turn again, I find myself being less and less intrigued by one rider stories because as admir said, the preset is often similar.
We'll see what's going to happen, but either way we'll always have enough good stories around, that I'm sure of 
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| Mresuperstar |
Posted on 20-06-2014 01:45
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That's what I said above, it goes in cycles I feel.
But, truly... If it wasn't for Nerz and Veillux I can guarantee that Newton would have never got off the ground.
And I like the competition, just means Ian and I have to step up our game and bring new things to the table to keep people interested. And I actually feel like we both have come up with new stuff to make that possible.
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| rogvi97 |
Posted on 20-06-2014 21:46
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I feel I canøt start a career without a BMC jersey, so I'll wait for a DB with all the shirts and then try to make a story
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| nacho63 |
Posted on 20-06-2014 22:45
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Yep, mines on hold the pcmdaily realise |
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| Wumble |
Posted on 20-06-2014 22:53
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I dont know about the Daily stage, but I know on my respective national PCM site one rider stories have been pretty popular since 2010-11 i think. As Valverde points out its really boring, unless you make it extremly detailed and unique, to read a team story as it is pretty much just a race report with no indepht from the riders.
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