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| sgdanny |
Posted on 04-06-2014 21:42
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Anderis wrote:
I hope Talansky does well here.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 04-06-2014 22:59
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This will be quite the dope show with Froome, Porte and Contador.  |
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 05-06-2014 04:09
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Wilier wrote:
This will be quite the dope show with Froome, Porte and Contador.
Right and it was sooo different with Quintana and the others in the giro or last years Vuelta.
But my bet is that Contador will save himself for the Tour and let Froome go if it comes to a real duel between the two. |
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| Cossack |
Posted on 05-06-2014 07:36
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Aquarius posted some power graphs from this year's Giro compared to last year's Tour and looking at them either Quintana had worse form or the field was cleaner. Also, apart from Froome nobody seems to be breaking EPO-era records now.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 05-06-2014 08:37
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Cossack wrote:
Aquarius posted some power graphs from this year's Giro compared to last year's Tour and looking at them either Quintana had worse form or the field was cleaner. Also, apart from Froome nobody seems to be breaking EPO-era records now.
It's just frustrating for me (and many others I think) that everytime Froome + a few others compeats in a race, it's a dope race. Can't we at least use the Sky-thread or whatever it is for that kinda thing? I dont think Froome and Porte is clean either, it's just gettin a little old when ppl always feel they have to mention it everywhere. |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 05-06-2014 09:35
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Bertie got no chance even after a huge steak with Froome.exe and Richie Landis Porte having see them crush Lance's time who was doped to the eyeballs back then.  |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 05-06-2014 10:10
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Riis123 wrote:
Cossack wrote:
Aquarius posted some power graphs from this year's Giro compared to last year's Tour and looking at them either Quintana had worse form or the field was cleaner. Also, apart from Froome nobody seems to be breaking EPO-era records now.
It's just frustrating for me (and many others I think) that everytime Froome + a few others compeats in a race, it's a dope race. Can't we at least use the Sky-thread or whatever it is for that kinda thing? I dont think Froome and Porte is clean either, it's just gettin a little old when ppl always feel they have to mention it everywhere.
That is what happens when you are watching a freakshow
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 05-06-2014 10:38
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Strydz wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Cossack wrote:
Aquarius posted some power graphs from this year's Giro compared to last year's Tour and looking at them either Quintana had worse form or the field was cleaner. Also, apart from Froome nobody seems to be breaking EPO-era records now.
It's just frustrating for me (and many others I think) that everytime Froome + a few others compeats in a race, it's a dope race. Can't we at least use the Sky-thread or whatever it is for that kinda thing? I dont think Froome and Porte is clean either, it's just gettin a little old when ppl always feel they have to mention it everywhere.
That is what happens when you are watching a freakshow
So you have to point it out every single time that Froome and Porte attends a race? |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 05-06-2014 10:44
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Riis123 wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Cossack wrote:
Aquarius posted some power graphs from this year's Giro compared to last year's Tour and looking at them either Quintana had worse form or the field was cleaner. Also, apart from Froome nobody seems to be breaking EPO-era records now.
It's just frustrating for me (and many others I think) that everytime Froome + a few others compeats in a race, it's a dope race. Can't we at least use the Sky-thread or whatever it is for that kinda thing? I dont think Froome and Porte is clean either, it's just gettin a little old when ppl always feel they have to mention it everywhere.
That is what happens when you are watching a freakshow
So you have to point it out every single time that Froome and Porte attends a race?
I support that, maybe if the whole world will say it often enough, they will just disappear from world of cycling. 
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 05-06-2014 11:03
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Cossack wrote:
Aquarius posted some power graphs from this year's Giro compared to last year's Tour and looking at them either Quintana had worse form or the field was cleaner. Also, apart from Froome nobody seems to be breaking EPO-era records now.
Also (from a very limited data set) his personal judgement was that Quintana climbed better than Froome in the 2013 Tour and that there were many factors during the Giro that could account for the decreased performance, such as weather, crashes and sickness.
This is an uncomfortable "truth". Now I am in no way a fan of Froome but we shouldn't put our head in the sand when it comes to judging anyone. The only thing I can be sure of is that I hope people are riding clean
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| Cossack |
Posted on 05-06-2014 18:14
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I wan't going to imply that Quintana is clean and Froome is doped, it's just interesting to compare Froome's Ax-3 (beating some doped times) while in Giro on each climb riders were much slower that Pantani and others.
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 05-06-2014 19:55
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Cossack wrote:
I wan't going to imply that Quintana is clean and Froome is doped, it's just interesting to compare Froome's Ax-3 (beating some doped times) while in Giro on each climb riders were much slower that Pantani and others.
Sorry that wasn't aimed specifically at you or anyone else for that matter 
I just think it's a general trend to focus on one or two riders and conveniently forget about others. God knows there are a number of reasons behind the considerable doubt surrounding Froome but , even though I personally find him unlikeable, there are plenty of others to question too.
Human nature I guess - one that would kill me is Adam Hansen done for doping - don't let that ever be true |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 05-06-2014 20:03
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ianrussell wrote:
Cossack wrote:
I wan't going to imply that Quintana is clean and Froome is doped, it's just interesting to compare Froome's Ax-3 (beating some doped times) while in Giro on each climb riders were much slower that Pantani and others.
Sorry that wasn't aimed specifically at you or anyone else for that matter
I just think it's a general trend to focus on one or two riders and conveniently forget about others. God knows there are a number of reasons behind the considerable doubt surrounding Froome but , even though I personally find him unlikeable, there are plenty of others to question too.
Human nature I guess - one that would kill me is Adam Hansen done for doping - don't let that ever be true
That's my point. Afterall, Quintana and to a certain content Rodriguez was better in the last weak than Froome in the Alps last year. However, they barely get questioned, while Froome gets bashed all the time (espcially at this forum). I know Froome is hihgly suspectable, mainly because of his sudden rise and some other factors. Froome is very easy to hate, I get that, but its frustrating for me to read those comments over and over and over again.
I dont like Froome either, I dont like Sky, i hate Froome's little computer and Brailsford's marginal gains and all that other stuff. Still, I would enjoy those comments in the Sky-thread instead of all the race-threads that Froome competes in |
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| javibozada |
Posted on 05-06-2014 20:14
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Hoping that Contador could make a Top 3. It woulde be great for him and for his moral. LET'S GO ALBERTO!!
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 06-06-2014 18:04
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javibozada wrote:
Hoping that Contador could make a Top 3. It woulde be great for him and for his moral. LET'S GO ALBERTO!!
Easy now with the pessimism of course Contador is going to make it into top 3
The question is just whether or not he will do everything to beat froome and froome is going to do everything to beat Contador.
The above will decided what place they are going to get.
Because right now there isn't a rider in the world except Quintana who can beat those two. |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 06-06-2014 18:16
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Start rant: Doping has always been a big part of cycling, what really bothers me is them talking about how good they are training and how clean they are while being doped up to their ears. Not only that, they race suuuuuuper boring aswell, atleast Contador, Nibali (not 100% sure he's on the good stuff but probability is high) and Quintana attack and make the race fun. Porte and especially that robot Froome just looks at his fucking power meter all race, then he looks back with 1km to go and realizes he's alone..... end rant.
And thats why we have write it every single time until it sticks
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 07-06-2014 12:28
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I think, Contador will win this. He has been on a superb form this year. Plus lack of TT will do him a big favour. Yes Froome might get slight advantage in Prologue but then in other stages Contador will get it back. Climbs are not too demanding so I can't see how Froome will drop Contador his usual way. Contador has that explosive punch compared to Froome to finish last 1 km or so.
I'm also hoping Nibali does well. There was concern that Vinokourov might have given Nibali ultimatum to perform. But he has not been on form whole year. We have seen this from him. One year he wins Grand tour next year he is dismal.
Other than that hoping to see Sylvian Chavannel and Voecklar get some nice results.
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 07-06-2014 12:53
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Nin1388 wrote:
I think, Contador will win this. He has been on a superb form this year. Plus lack of TT will do him a big favour. Yes Froome might get slight advantage in Prologue but then in other stages Contador will get it back. Climbs are not too demanding so I can't see how Froome will drop Contador his usual way. Contador has that explosive punch compared to Froome to finish last 1 km or so.
I'm also hoping Nibali does well. There was concern that Vinokourov might have given Nibali ultimatum to perform. But he has not been on form whole year. We have seen this from him. One year he wins Grand tour next year he is dismal.
Other than that hoping to see Sylvian Chavannel and Voecklar get some nice results.
Contador has the punch sure, but Froome has full retard mode. Full retard mode doesn't care about having acceleration, it wins anyway |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 07-06-2014 13:14
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Nin1388 wrote:
I think, Contador will win this. He has been on a superb form this year. Plus lack of TT will do him a big favour. Yes Froome might get slight advantage in Prologue but then in other stages Contador will get it back. Climbs are not too demanding so I can't see how Froome will drop Contador his usual way. Contador has that explosive punch compared to Froome to finish last 1 km or so.
I'm also hoping Nibali does well. There was concern that Vinokourov might have given Nibali ultimatum to perform. But he has not been on form whole year. We have seen this from him. One year he wins Grand tour next year he is dismal.
Other than that hoping to see Sylvian Chavannel and Voecklar get some nice results.
With the way you described Contador, I think you have got him mistaken with Rodriguez lol 
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 07-06-2014 13:32
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Alakagom wrote:
Nin1388 wrote:
I think, Contador will win this. He has been on a superb form this year. Plus lack of TT will do him a big favour. Yes Froome might get slight advantage in Prologue but then in other stages Contador will get it back. Climbs are not too demanding so I can't see how Froome will drop Contador his usual way. Contador has that explosive punch compared to Froome to finish last 1 km or so.
I'm also hoping Nibali does well. There was concern that Vinokourov might have given Nibali ultimatum to perform. But he has not been on form whole year. We have seen this from him. One year he wins Grand tour next year he is dismal.
Other than that hoping to see Sylvian Chavannel and Voecklar get some nice results.
With the way you described Contador, I think you have got him mistaken with Rodriguez lol
Yes Contador is Rodriguez for Froome. Because if Froome can't drop Contador which I don't think he can because climbs are not too demanding, then Froome will not match Contador's burst of speed. Froome's spider like riding style cannot open gaps easily as does Contador's dancing style can. It might be efficient getting up a mountain but not in accelerating away from Contador.
Example
1- this year in volta catalunya when purito and Contador went away from Froome. Watch that finish.
2- watch 2012 Vuelta when Contador could accelerate easily from Froome. While Froome had to drop him earlier.
3- watch climb to Semnoz. Froome is comfortably sitting behind Purito and Quintana. Makes surge in last km but hardly gets few bike lengths.
This few things show is one on one battle Froome might lose. |
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