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| VoetsT |
Posted on 29-04-2014 19:13
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admirschleck wrote:
Kwiat is a beast. I think we're watching the new Mercxk (I know it's insane to compare him with Eddy this early in his career, but just look at these all-arounding skills).
Bakelants did that too 
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| Shonak |
Posted on 29-04-2014 19:14
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Good prologue by Brändle there. 
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Posted on 29-04-2014 19:20
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| Strydz |
Posted on 29-04-2014 19:25
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admirschleck wrote:
Kwiat is a beast. I think we're watching the new Mercxk (I know it's insane to compare him with Eddy this early in his career, but just look at these all-arounding skills).
I don't know if we will another Mercxk anytime soon but yes the kid is certainly racking up some good results. Wasn't EBH going to be the next Mercxk amongst many others, will be interesting to see how Kwiatek develops and if he is managed properly, seen many other young riders peak early then stagnate. Gee old Lancaster can still rip out a good prologue these days
Edited by Strydz on 29-04-2014 19:26
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| Cossack |
Posted on 29-04-2014 19:25
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VoetsT wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
Kwiat is a beast. I think we're watching the new Mercxk (I know it's insane to compare him with Eddy this early in his career, but just look at these all-arounding skills).
Bakelants did that too
I can hardly see any monuments' podiums or 11th in TdF in Bakelants' palmares
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 29-04-2014 19:37
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Cossack wrote:
VoetsT wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
Kwiat is a beast. I think we're watching the new Mercxk (I know it's insane to compare him with Eddy this early in his career, but just look at these all-arounding skills).
Bakelants did that too
I can hardly see any monuments' podiums or 11th in TdF in Bakelants' palmares
18th in the Tour is not far off though . Either way the comparisions with Merckx are premature for now. But for sure Kwiatek is something special, Bakelants is very good also but not as good as Kwiatek |
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| Smoku |
Posted on 29-04-2014 19:50
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admirschleck wrote:
Kwiat is a beast. I think we're watching the new Mercxk (I know it's insane to compare him with Eddy this early in his career, but just look at these all-arounding skills).
As much as I'd love to see that, it's not a time for real all-rounders any more. Specialized riders with very strong secondary skills (as Indurain, Le Mond Wiggo) - yes. But no second Axels anymore 
Kwiato will have to go one way or another sooner or later. A good punchy TTer with decent climbing would be my best guess. But yes - he's already impressive as buck.
Edited by Smoku on 29-04-2014 19:51
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| CountArach |
Posted on 29-04-2014 20:44
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Smoku wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
Kwiat is a beast. I think we're watching the new Mercxk (I know it's insane to compare him with Eddy this early in his career, but just look at these all-arounding skills).
As much as I'd love to see that, it's not a time for real all-rounders any more. Specialized riders with very strong secondary skills (as Indurain, Le Mond Wiggo) - yes. But no second Axels anymore
I don't know, I kind of feel that as we are moving into a less-doped period there is some room for all-rounders who just have a big engine again. Sagan is the obvious example (okay maybe not a climber but he has the most complete skill set of pretty much any rider out there).
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 29-04-2014 20:48
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Cossack wrote:
VoetsT wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
Kwiat is a beast. I think we're watching the new Mercxk (I know it's insane to compare him with Eddy this early in his career, but just look at these all-arounding skills).
Bakelants did that too
I can hardly see any monuments' podiums or 11th in TdF in Bakelants' palmares
18th in the Tour is not far off though . Either way the comparisions with Merckx are premature for now. But for sure Kwiatek is something special, Bakelants is very good also but not as good as Kwiatek
Such comparisons are premature always. It'll never happen, I think.
Merckx in these days wouldn't have been Merckx because it's too specialized these days. Merckx was just a unique athlete and he had the luck of being a cyclist in the days that you could be good all year through.
And he won Sanremo when he was 20. 6 times more in the following years. And 5 giros, all monuments, 5 TDF's.
Kwiatek is good.
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| VoetsT |
Posted on 29-04-2014 21:21
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Cossack wrote:
VoetsT wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
Kwiat is a beast. I think we're watching the new Mercxk (I know it's insane to compare him with Eddy this early in his career, but just look at these all-arounding skills).
Bakelants did that too
I can hardly see any monuments' podiums or 11th in TdF in Bakelants' palmares
18th in the Tour is not far off though . Either way the comparisions with Merckx are premature for now. But for sure Kwiatek is something special, Bakelants is very good also but not as good as Kwiatek
No, Bakelants said in a belgian newspaper that Kwiato can be the next Merckx.
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 29-04-2014 22:32
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VoetsT wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
Cossack wrote:
VoetsT wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
Kwiat is a beast. I think we're watching the new Mercxk (I know it's insane to compare him with Eddy this early in his career, but just look at these all-arounding skills).
Bakelants did that too
I can hardly see any monuments' podiums or 11th in TdF in Bakelants' palmares
18th in the Tour is not far off though . Either way the comparisions with Merckx are premature for now. But for sure Kwiatek is something special, Bakelants is very good also but not as good as Kwiatek
No, Bakelants said in a belgian newspaper that Kwiato can be the next Merckx.
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 29-04-2014 22:34
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Hey, it's me actually, Jan Bakelants.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 30-04-2014 07:03
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Ehm, nice that somebody is drawing comparsions, but does Kwiatkowski won a major thing? Algarve and Strade Bianche are his biggest wins, while Merckx or even Sagan had like 50victories in that age, including much bigger wins. Kwiatek has 7 professional victories, 7!
But i admire him very much and i can see him becoming very strong rider and monument winner (LBL most likely).
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 30-04-2014 07:16
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CountArach wrote:
Smoku wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
Kwiat is a beast. I think we're watching the new Mercxk (I know it's insane to compare him with Eddy this early in his career, but just look at these all-arounding skills).
As much as I'd love to see that, it's not a time for real all-rounders any more. Specialized riders with very strong secondary skills (as Indurain, Le Mond Wiggo) - yes. But no second Axels anymore
I don't know, I kind of feel that as we are moving into a less-doped period there is some room for all-rounders who just have a big engine again. Sagan is the obvious example (okay maybe not a climber but he has the most complete skill set of pretty much any rider out there).
You know there was tonnes of cheating back then too right? Just it wasn't really considered a problem. Even Merckx got caught, but no one remembers that... |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 30-04-2014 07:21
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I thought that everybody is aware that Eddie was doped as fuck.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 30-04-2014 08:10
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Kwiat's career (and Sagan's) could also blow out like Popovych's. Let's just wait and see for the next years. |
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| kubys |
Posted on 30-04-2014 08:14
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Ehm, nice that somebody is drawing comparsions, but does Kwiatkowski won a major thing? Algarve and Strade Bianche are his biggest wins, while Merckx or even Sagan had like 50victories in that age, including much bigger wins. Kwiatek has 7 professional victories, 7!
But i admire him very much and i can see him becoming very strong rider and monument winner (LBL most likely).
I guess nobody expected that post. 
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 30-04-2014 08:26
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kubys wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Ehm, nice that somebody is drawing comparsions, but does Kwiatkowski won a major thing? Algarve and Strade Bianche are his biggest wins, while Merckx or even Sagan had like 50victories in that age, including much bigger wins. Kwiatek has 7 professional victories, 7!
But i admire him very much and i can see him becoming very strong rider and monument winner (LBL most likely).
I guess nobody expected that post.
Kubys, you should get rid of that fixation on my posts about Sagan, i can recommend you good psychologist in Czech republic if you want.
And that post was mainly about Kwiatek -Merckx comparsion, Sagan was only there, because he was last that was widely discussed and compared to Eddie here on the forum around 2011-2012, when he was starting to become awesome, before you joined the forum.
Sorry that i think comparsion to Merckx with winner of Tour of Algarve is silly...
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 30-04-2014 08:26
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I thought that everybody is aware that Eddie was doped as fuck.
Big difference is that is wasn't organized in those days. Everyone just took the same stuff.
And doping is doping, okay. But they didn't do blood transfusions or EPO or things like that, it was "milder".
And also, even with doping, Merckx was an outstanding athlete, one of the very best ever. He finished races with minutes ahead of the 2nd rider.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 30-04-2014 08:27
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The Hobbit wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Smoku wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
Kwiat is a beast. I think we're watching the new Mercxk (I know it's insane to compare him with Eddy this early in his career, but just look at these all-arounding skills).
As much as I'd love to see that, it's not a time for real all-rounders any more. Specialized riders with very strong secondary skills (as Indurain, Le Mond Wiggo) - yes. But no second Axels anymore
I don't know, I kind of feel that as we are moving into a less-doped period there is some room for all-rounders who just have a big engine again. Sagan is the obvious example (okay maybe not a climber but he has the most complete skill set of pretty much any rider out there).
You know there was tonnes of cheating back then too right? Just it wasn't really considered a problem. Even Merckx got caught, but no one remembers that...
Of course I know that and of course I remember that, but it was pre-EPO which causes the greatest performance increase.
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