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| Cycleman123 |
Posted on 20-01-2014 20:21
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The budget is reset every season, isn't it?
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| niconico |
Posted on 20-01-2014 20:31
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I actually thought of something here.
The Man-Game has had tries at making the game more interactive in the race parts. I remember a season where SN made small highlight videos with commentary to a few races.. I don't remember if there was a written report for those, but there written reports in some other tries that involved small video sequences of the finish of the stages, which was pretty cool.
I don't know if this is possible, but I would think so. How about for some select races next season... the full replay of the races will be uploaded for the managers to watch. There could also be the option of reading a report like in the previous mentions.
I would personally find it very exciting to watch a race "Live" and full length, especially if it's a very important stage/race for my team. Don't consider this suggestion as a try to undermine the race reports, because I like those and like writing them.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 20-01-2014 20:33
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Cycleman123 wrote:
The budget is reset every season, isn't it?
Yes, but you carry over a certain percentage of what was left last season, plus achieved goals, overall ranking position etc. give you extra budget.
Edited by cio93 on 20-01-2014 20:33
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| Cycleman123 |
Posted on 20-01-2014 20:39
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Oh ok. I knew about the completed goals and rankings and stuff, just didn't know about the percentage left over. But in a way it's pretty good to sign a star in your first season, as long as you build a decent team around him, because you can do very well, possibly get promoted and have a high budget the next season.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 20-01-2014 21:59
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SotD wrote:
My only suggestion would be to take a little bit off the game, to speed up the process slightly... 14-15 months or whatever it has taken from transferperiod to transferperiod is a bit too long I think. A year could be alright though.
Also, just a question. Which PCM version are we using next season? The same as this season?
Indeed, seasons need to be shorter. The challenge is making it so. PCM13 is the plan.
TheManxMissile wrote:
Not making Goals before knowing races... or assigning races with priority to those with that race selected as a Goal. This really bugged me at the start of the year as i felt heavily punished for being busy.
The position of goals is pretty fixed. It determines budget so has to go first - you wouldnt want to pick your races before knowing your team. Small amount of flexibility somewhere in the race selection/goals process could work
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I suppose the loan cap issue boils down to not being too restrictive on CT teams. It being in some way different for CT teams is the way to solve that though - not remove it. As referenced, the primary role of the loan cap is to put a limit on gains PT teams can make from loans - as they are the big benefactor of the loans system.
And jph, PCT teams do not necesarilly have to loan out level 3 talents in order to get them to level 4.
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And yep, nothing in principle against B Worlds except the extra work! Maybe it can be within the 'National Championships Block' post-season, when that extra work is less of a concern.
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| Roman |
Posted on 20-01-2014 22:51
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I really agree with SotD here. I really think we need to make this game a little bit smaller to speed up the season a little bit as I really don't see much other way how to do that. I already suggested in the last season to turn lower leagues into the way how PT works - pre-made calendar for all teams, 22 teams, 2 wildcards, 8 riders per team in every race, every team races all races, or something like that.
Yeah, I know it would take out the funny part of selecting races, it would be problably more predictable etc. But we would need way lower amount of races to be reported then and there would be way less work for SN as well. The teams in the same division would race more often versus each other than now, etc. There are some positives as well, not only negatives.
I really think this could speed up the game a lot. And I really would support the idea to have 10-11 month long seasons and not 14-15 month long seasons... But it is really only a matter of opinion.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 20-01-2014 23:00
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Adapting the PT calendar system to lower leagues is the absolutely last thing I would personally consider to shorten the season.
The current system is what PCT stands for, what makes it interesting for all managers, and the thing I miss the most from last season.
Sometimes the wait for the startlist is more exciting than for the actual race, the manager skill plays a way bigger role in overall success, specializing your team makes more sense and can be rewarded more...
I like being in PT just because of the big competition, because the races are so prestigious, but honestly, PCT was more fun.
There's simply more to do and speculate about in between races, more challenging things to do in offseason, more chances for upsets etc.
Edited by cio93 on 20-01-2014 23:01
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| Cycleman123 |
Posted on 20-01-2014 23:02
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In my opinion I think it should stay the same. Why? I've always liked the idea of the kind of "See you in [this race]" sort of conversation. And as you say it takes away a lot of the fun of race planning.
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| Cycleman123 |
Posted on 20-01-2014 23:03
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Can't edit 
Zabel'd by cio but I am definitely in favour of reducing the season, but not in this way.
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| Roman |
Posted on 20-01-2014 23:09
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Yeah, I know all of that, cio. I was a manager of a PCT team as well and it really was fun, but in my opinion PT is a big fun as well, but in a little bit other way. But what else can be done to shorten a season at least a little bit then?
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 20-01-2014 23:24
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About the nationalistic teams, could they get extra priority for race selection in their home region, e.g. OZ cycling in Oceanian races, Boeing in Eastern European, Meiji in East Asia.
I don't mean anything overly Major, I was thinking that a PCT team would get the same race selection priority as a CT team when it comes to C2 races in their area, and a CT team gets the same weighting as a PCT team when it comes to C1/HC races in their home region.
And on the loan cap, how about making loans in and loans out count as a + and - to your loan cap and you've got a certain target range to end up in before it effects your wage budget? I've no idea what would be a realistic range for that though.
I'm not sure how to shorten the season but I think a fixed calender for the lower levels isn't the way to go as it would take away alot of the fun of being a CT team for me. I find it more fun going for the Asian tour rankings then the CT rankings and this adds to the fun of trying to build a (dual) regional focussed team.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 21-01-2014 00:01
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niconico wrote:
I actually thought of something here.
The Man-Game has had tries at making the game more interactive in the race parts. I remember a season where SN made small highlight videos with commentary to a few races.. I don't remember if there was a written report for those, but there written reports in some other tries that involved small video sequences of the finish of the stages, which was pretty cool.
I don't know if this is possible, but I would think so. How about for some select races next season... the full replay of the races will be uploaded for the managers to watch. There could also be the option of reading a report like in the previous mentions.
I would personally find it very exciting to watch a race "Live" and full length, especially if it's a very important stage/race for my team. Don't consider this suggestion as a try to undermine the race reports, because I like those and like writing them.
I'm pretty sure in the past we have had issues with the replay feature not always saving well. But it would also likely slow the game down as I don't want to sit there and rewatch the exact same race just to record a video of it. I also couldn't do it live because when I'm reporting a race I am constantly stopping it to take notes, get coffee, etc. So there would be a lot of time where the game is paused. Finally, just to record the video requires extra software to be running which will slow down the speed and quality of the game play.
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 21-01-2014 00:43
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I like the idea niconico. Count, it may be possible, just the finish of a race, take the replay and watch the last 5kms or so?
And it can be for only the reporters who actually want to do it.
Though, what equipment would be used to capture it?
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 21-01-2014 06:39
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I just wanted to ask what is so bad about 14-15months seasons? For me, transfer period is extremely frustrating, as i dont have zillion of time and it basically need 10hour/day attention to achieve something there and week prior to that. So i am okay with waiting 14months for it. We have time, right? Where are you people rushing? 
Thing is, it would be very bad to remove some great features that make season so long, especially PCT planning thing. That is one of the only thing you can do in the game bar transfers. If it would be only transfers-season-transfers without planning,that would be extremely boring (sorry PT managers).
Also what fun would be to have some decent stage races,when you would be behind Kritskiy,Taramae amd Pozzovivo in every race you enter? With big planning, it is more possible to avoid them.
What i think, is that reporters started to put "pressure" on themselves with greater and greater (and longer and longer) reports from one year to another. Dont get me wrong, but for exampe Count with his special 60 pictures report seems like a set mark for report. Report is perfect, but what about doing it half long and make two stages instead of time for the long one? (obviously i am just guessing here,maybe it would not help to save the time or reporter would feel that report is "incomplete" .
I like niconico reports from this point of view. Short,but still giving info and reporter can move on to next stage faster. Just a suggestion for reporters.
And last point, game should obviously use some more reporters. It seems that only three,for people are making the game running and that seems like a huge load, thanks again for your efforts guys! I hope i can help reporting next season, as i should have some more time this year. If i will be accepted as the possible reporter of course. 
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| CountArach |
Posted on 21-01-2014 06:48
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
What i think, is that reporters started to put "pressure" on themselves with greater and greater (and longer and longer) reports from one year to another. Dont get me wrong, but for exampe Count with his special 60 pictures report seems like a set mark for report. Report is perfect, but what about doing it half long and make two stages instead of time for the long one? (obviously i am just guessing here,maybe it would not help to save the time or reporter would feel that report is "incomplete" .
We have discussed this amongst ourselves before and personally I'm against shorter reports. The giant reports you mentioned are only rare cases for important races (like the WC, Roubaix, etc) with most mountain stages being around the 30 mark and sprint stages sometimes below 20. For me, I make sure to put time aside for it, so it doesn't bother me to write shorter reports. Others do less detailed reports and if that is what they have time for then that is fine. Everyone basically contributes what they want to and what they have time for already. We discussed the possibility of having a 'cap' on pictures and length of post but personally if that ever happened I'd stop reporting. For me, writing reports is an outlet that allows me to get out of the real-world writing that I have to do and I find it quite relaxing.
As for more reporters, absolutely I think that is the way to do it. We have had several people away recently but things are picking up again.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 21-01-2014 06:53
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And here is where the actual reporting exprience makes the point.
I am always happy for you great reports. So if you feel okay with doing such a detailed ones, we can only benefit from it.
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 21-01-2014 07:58
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In general, i don't think we need to change the PCT/CT-calendar too much. It's not only fun, but adds the the most challenging part to the game. If you want to get to the top, you not only have to sign great riders but also need clever planning and luck, which is fine!
A way to avoid a huge calendar could be to avoid races with less than 14 teams subscribed for though. Less teams often cause shitty gameplay and makes for boring races with huge breakaway wins and a "lazy" peloton. I know this would need a bit more work to the pre-season stuff, but if there's a way to run something like a second round of race-selections for races with too less subscriptions, i think we could both have better gameplay and a few races less to report. Of course it's a tricky thing and some may say it's unfair to not be garantuered a race to be held, but imo it's a good thing to think of
And i also liked Mre's suggestion in the reporter's thread with some races being kind of "TV-coveraged" and others with shortened reports. Pre-selected and not only the big races with classic reports of course. Currently too tired to post the more detailed ideas here, but maybe we should post it here too and listen to what the other managers say?!
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| roturn |
Posted on 21-01-2014 08:32
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Replays would maximum work if we just save the PCM replay file, so that everyone, who is having the actual PCM can review it in the game.
Using programs like Fraps are too time consuming during the race and also during the cutting/uploading.
As tsmoha said, Mre`s idea of different reports could speed up the game. But we would need a very careful selection. Otherwise we would hurt some teams a lot, when their race selection in the end only leads to the shortest kind of reports.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 21-01-2014 08:42
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More communication and Cooperation between the Managers and Reporters. Even above it is obvious that discussion happens in their thread that has a wider impact on the managers and the game, and it would be nice to be involved in some of these discussions. Or at least kept in the loop, like earlier in the year when it all went very quiet and slow for a couple of months and none of the managers knew why, it was very frustrating.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 21-01-2014 08:51
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+100 to what Manx said. That is also what i adressed liek three times in my posts regarding the long break we had a month or two ago. Decisions or information that influence everybody in the game can be maybe questioned on wider scene?
Like when i discovered that two of my talents whee hindered on development by managers of teams i loaned them in and i had to unofficialy ask Rin about all that, because nobody else cares to tell me what is happening on this matter,only that it will be adressed in reporters forum. What also surprised me was that one of these managers suggested a way how to solve this to damage my riders less,but he was obviously denied in that and i was not told a word from reporters.
I still dont know what will happen with these riders and if i am supposed to send my stat gains, or wait for solving the situation of these two?
This is situation whem more involvment from "damaged" manager could maybe help,at least he would know where he stands...
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