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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-02-2008 19:33
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The only thing that needs to be said on my part is that we're entitled to opinions, and as much as it might pain you Ruben, your opinion is not worth more than everyone else's. Nor does it give you a right to be rude.
Were any of us rude? We commented our thoughts and put up questions on the DB because we are interested in it (which were never answered, but that's a different matter. nothing against the DB-makers).
But of course you carry on with the most over-used and ridiculous argument ever: "If you can do better why don't you do it yourself". Meaning what? that the only ones who can comment on the quality of something are those who have done similar work? Well then, why are you commenting on riders' abilities, Ruben? Are you a top rider?
Flawed logic, isn't it?
And I'd appreciate it if you'd restrict these inane comments to the forum, if at all, instead of pestering people with PMs that are nothing but a quote of a forum post.
Edited by issoisso on 07-02-2008 19:37
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 07-02-2008 19:35
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Seconding what Isso said since that sums up what i want to say.
THE THOMAS VOECKLER PROPHET OF PCM DAILY
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| ruben |
Posted on 07-02-2008 20:30
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issoisso wrote:
The only thing that needs to be said on my part is that we're entitled to opinions, and as much as it might pain you Ruben, your opinion is not worth more than everyone else's. Nor does it give you a right to be rude.
Were any of us rude? Looks at the stats. Kills himself. Seems pretty rude to me.
Or what about "the stats are horirble, there is too much green" doesnt sound very tactfull either. We commented our thoughts and put up questions on the DB because we are interested in it (which were never answered, but that's a different matter. nothing against the DB-makers).
But of course you carry on with the most over-used and ridiculous argument ever: "If you can do better why don't you do it yourself". Meaning what? that the only ones who can comment on the quality of something are those who have done similar work? Well then, why are you commenting on riders' abilities, Ruben? Are you a top rider?
Flawed logic, isn't it?
And I'd appreciate it if you'd restrict these inane comments to the forum, if at all, instead of pestering people with PMs that are nothing but a quote of a forum post.
I think you guys are arrogant beyond belief, spoiled brats, who can't do anything themselves "a db is so much work" ...half of you know 0,0 about continental racing. The stats of small teams, you don't even look at them, because you know virtually nothing about them, except maybe some teams from your own country. And yet you critisise work of people who DO know these riders and teams, who are interested in a realistic database on all levels. Yet you look at 1 top team, see your favourite, or less favourite riders are over/underrated in your mind and burn the database to the ground.
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| ruben |
Posted on 07-02-2008 20:32
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And that's the key word I'm missing here by the way. Respect. Completely missing in tihs part of the forum
And I'm not the only one who thinks the comments made here are ridicolous. Maybe you should look into the mirror. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 07-02-2008 20:36
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Hey, youre welcome to leave at any time if you think WE are respectless
THE THOMAS VOECKLER PROPHET OF PCM DAILY
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| ruben |
Posted on 07-02-2008 20:40
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Yes you are respectless, how can you even deny that.
I've spent months researching every goddamn rider in the database, looking up results, questioning team managers what their riders strongpoints are (Hagen f.ex). Making it all balanced and testing it relentlessly for hours. Name any other db-maker who has done that. I can only come up with 2, Dankan and PlakkerNL, they show the same devotion and dedication to making a database.
When you release that work for the community, for FREE, and somebody who tihinks he knows it all over the internet comes and says "The stats are horrible. I'll kill myself"
That's pretty respectless for me.
Now back to your, great sir Waghlon |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-02-2008 20:43
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Ruben wrote:
half of you know 0,0 about continental racing. The stats of small teams, you don't even look at them, because you know virtually nothing about them, except maybe some teams from your own country
Ruben wrote:
And if you can't back it up with any decent arguments. You'd better shut up for good or try it yourself
Notice the contradiction?
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| ruben |
Posted on 07-02-2008 20:45
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Notice how you don't reply to my last post? nuff said. I never liked you anyway, nor did I like guido mukk  same idiots as in the cycling part. PCM Daily's members have gone too ground. I feel for Crue |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-02-2008 20:48
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Ruben wrote:
Notice how you don't reply to my last post? nuff said
oh but I did. you just don't get the point.
So we're running this forum into the ground? fine Ruben. I'll leave. should make you happy, right? 
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| ruben |
Posted on 07-02-2008 20:49
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You don't get the point that you guys are respectless when you say you kill yourself when you look at the stats?
My, now I even have to question your intelligence
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| MarcoPRT |
Posted on 07-02-2008 20:56
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Obviously, that type of sentences are only said in an ironic way, the same as saying "try harder"...
The community likes to see good projects, and if we see tow guys making an awful db individuately (don't know if I wrote this word right), why not joining forces to do a good db? Some projects done by an only person deserve the "virtual death" and nothing more...
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-02-2008 20:56
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it was a friendly jab at the previous posts, which I thought was extremely obvious. If I were criticising the stats, which I rarely do, I'd say what I disagreed with instead of saying they sucked. The real meat of that post was in what followed.
In retrospect it's my fault for not making it more obvious what I meant, but your confrontational attitude is also getting very old. You should do something about that highly-strung attitude.
Edited by issoisso on 07-02-2008 21:00
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 07-02-2008 21:21
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Ruben has decided to leave the site, and I believe that's also the best solution for the site and its members.
End of discussion, and back on track. |
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| matt493 |
Posted on 07-02-2008 21:32
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Sorry if it's already up here but when is it expected to come out. |
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| Valor |
Posted on 07-02-2008 21:35
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I'm not sure we will miss anyone who couldn't say anything good about someone non-dutch (not only the riders...) Here are my favourite quotes about Ruben:
Geez Ruben - is there no discipline where there isnt a rider that you need to post all the time saying how great they are compared to everyone else?
Dekker on the Road. Boom in Cyclocross. Bos on the track?
...If you'll win a World cup, you will sign a new contract. With Rabobank. But what will change? You'll get a road bike and a two cross bikes (Colnago, of course), you'll get more money (that's the main difference), you should find a house or flat in Netherlands*(but after two week you'll find out that your neighbour is Ruben and you'll break contract and move back to Czech rep or to Belgium... |
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| MarcoPRT |
Posted on 07-02-2008 21:38
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CrueTrue wrote:
Ruben has decided to leave the site, and I believe that's also the best solution for the site and its members.
End of discussion, and back on track.
Or not...It's better to get him on sight than watching him insulting you in another well-known site, like he did with another member some weeks ago.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 08-02-2008 18:14
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I think I was running away at this well known site..to not hear anything about Ruben.
This is out of time thread already..but has Ruben "shooting"..then it's civil to answer.
If he flashes he's db..and dont accept any critics..then he is naive.
Yes it is hard work and I admire that. Yes I have made my own stats..but those is just for my own use...
"Shut up I am mister cycling..what you know idiot"..wrong place to talk like this. I belive most of forum members are cycling fans here..
Sad to loose cycling fan ..who has been just to passionate. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 08-02-2008 18:27
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Ouch..this is amazing..I ite"dont have posted any post..about almost a year to "well known site"..
But now this is intresting I am blocked user...this actualy feels good..treated like v.i.p. person. |
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| Dankan |
Posted on 08-02-2008 18:59
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Those arguments over here don't have any sense. People deserve to talk about what they think it's wrong. Then his opinion can be felt as balanced or not by the rest of the crowd. But we're not anyone to tell someone his knowledge isn't worth a shit. Even though I'd think the same Ruben does, I would never fall into misrespect towards other users.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-02-2008 21:34
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So Ruben leaves after a disagreement with myself and some rather unpleasant comments towards Guido. Coincidentally, today is one year that I registered here. Even more so, it's also one year today that Guido registered.
sad that this happened 
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