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| Popeye |
Posted on 21-06-2013 16:40
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Lachi wrote:
Such silly features almost killed the game for me.
Lachi wrote:
I totally dislike it if somebody tries to shift the topic, turning the words in my mouths or making my arguments look silly.
I could not agree more.
Edited by Popeye on 21-06-2013 16:42
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| Sykkelninja |
Posted on 24-06-2013 18:29
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Wow, yeah, they could have sent out a memo about the new economics...I spent most of the money on signing bonuses on staff I subsequently had to fire when I realized that there were no prize money coming in. That being said I think taking prize money out of the equation is a good move. The previous system with prize money being such an unsafe and large factor in the equation made for a pretty poor system with no way to properly plan a budget for the season.
However, this is quite the change as they are removing something that would bring in hundreds of thousands of euros, or even millions, without really adding any other income, so this is a major gamechanger. Yes, one can negotiate the budget, however the initial expectations are quite on point in terms of squad strength so there are not that many objectives one can change without risk getting fired. I'm playing with FDJ and while some of the goals are easy - getting the points jersey or stage win in a grand tour with Démare or Bouhanni - there are some other ones which are quite tough. Top 3 in Paris-Nice and the Dauphine...yeah, it is possible with Pinot but there will be 10-12 other riders that are stronger there so it is by no means an easy task. Or getting a top 10 in the Flanders and Paris-Roubaix, yeah it doesn't sound too hard but when Offredo is your best cobblestone rider and he is a 75 overall and 75 on cobbles...top 10 is about the best you can hope for.
In previous years it has been rather easy to perform in all the smaller WT stage races such as Paris-Nice, Catalunya, Vasco, Romandie, Poland, Beijing...all you had to do was to allocate one of the best riders and peak the fitness, but it seems much more difficult with the new fitness system that is definitely leveling out the playing field and removing the advantage one had if one were good at working the training/fitness to win the smaller stage races.
And about that top 3 in the Paris-Nice...I had the number three spot up until I got to stage 7 which seems to be bugged...so had to simulate and wound up as number 7. Time to start a new career...but again; overall this should give a much more realistic game. They have removed a lot of the exploits making it more challenging to win the smaller races, more challenging to win late in the season, and much much more realistic finances forcing one to focus on young talent rather than signing high profile free agents. |
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| tellico |
Posted on 24-06-2013 19:05
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Very good point. Agreed in all. |
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| Housies |
Posted on 25-06-2013 09:38
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I read an intervieuw before the release stating that the prize money would be removed, but that the wages of staff would be paid directly by the sponser as well.
Now they only took away our income, but the costs remain the same.
For a small team, this is definitly impossible to keep some reasonable staff around. So this needs some eceonomy balancing in my eyes. |
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| Jeremy |
Posted on 25-06-2013 10:31
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I wonder how the end of season is. I read somewhere that even if you kept the sponsor, you would get more money if you are promoted. If this increase in budget comes in November, then you can still hire some staff and new riders. |
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| Denny |
Posted on 25-06-2013 10:39
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You can only sign riders until 25 october, at least in pcm12 it was like that. |
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| swsquires |
Posted on 25-06-2013 11:26
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I like the lack of prizemoney. It is indeed realistic, but then the whole promotion/relegation model in the game isn't realistic at the moment and you can't have one without the other in my opinion. If it was realistic your sponsor would contact you during the season to say that you've been getting good results and they would like to apply for an upgrade to the next level (i.e. up to pro continental or World tour), so are giving you additional budget for signing riders in July (who could maybe be on a contract where they only sign if you do indeed get the upgrade in status). If you did get the status upgrade your budget would increase and the riders sign, but if you didn't the budget would not increase and the riders would not sign.
I played a first season with a continental team and had reasonable results despite being entered in very few races. To my surprise I was promoted at the end of the season and my budget was increased significantly. The only problem is that there were absolutely no decent free agents to sign. As a result I have a much bigger budget than last season, but no new riders to spend it on.
Simon
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| Jeremy |
Posted on 25-06-2013 11:29
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When did you get the news that your budget would get bigger?
And what was your wage limit in July?
Could you have hired a few riders, counting on the budget increase?
When did you get the new budget, November or January? |
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| Housies |
Posted on 25-06-2013 13:03
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swsquires wrote:
I like the lack of prizemoney. It is indeed realistic, but then the whole promotion/relegation model in the game isn't realistic at the moment and you can't have one without the other in my opinion. If it was realistic your sponsor would contact you during the season to say that you've been getting good results and they would like to apply for an upgrade to the next level (i.e. up to pro continental or World tour), so are giving you additional budget for signing riders in July (who could maybe be on a contract where they only sign if you do indeed get the upgrade in status). If you did get the status upgrade your budget would increase and the riders sign, but if you didn't the budget would not increase and the riders would not sign.
I played a first season with a continental team and had reasonable results despite being entered in very few races. To my surprise I was promoted at the end of the season and my budget was increased significantly. The only problem is that there were absolutely no decent free agents to sign. As a result I have a much bigger budget than last season, but no new riders to spend it on.
Interesting. Can you indicate what the increase of sponsor money was?
You can look at it like this: the first year is a bit struggle for survive in the WT. But for next season, you'll have a hoge amount of money to go on the transfer market. The month of July will be very interesting for you now  |
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| tellico |
Posted on 25-06-2013 13:39
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Jeremy wrote:
When did you get the news that your budget would get bigger?
https://www.cyanid...mp;t=14783
[...]Completing your objectives influence the new budget calcuated between two seasons, or new sponsors offers.[...] |
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| Jeremy |
Posted on 25-06-2013 13:47
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Well, that's pretty useless...
In PCM12, you know in July what will be your budget for the next year, if you have a new sponsor.
So if the sponsor will increase your budget, you should know this by July, so you could hire new riders :\
With that, I don't think you would new race prize money. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 25-06-2013 14:22
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No, it's not useless.
As you said, in PCM12 you had to wait for the contract to run out to get more money.
In PCM 13 you can get more money even without signing a new contract.
Depending on the budget raise, you can then negotiate the sponsor goals in the next year. For example if your budget was raised, you can take risky sponsor goals to get even more money and you don't have to be afraid to fail them.
Obviously you cannot sign new riders in the first year of the career unless you switch the sponsor, but it was the same in previous games. |
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| Jeremy |
Posted on 25-06-2013 14:31
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Not sure if I understood. You can hire new riders in July. If you don't have money to hire them, how can you take riskier sponsor goals on the next year?
In PCM12 you could save some race money to hire a couple of riders that can make a difference for a small continental team. |
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 25-06-2013 14:45
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Lachi, if I understand correctly that means the cycle now goes like this right?
Year 1 start: Conceptual goals and conceptual budget recieved
Year 1 start: Specify goals, definitive budget determined
Year 1 half way: Transfer market open, but no indication of budget next year, only the rate at which you have completed your goals so far, which supposedly affect budget next year
Year 1 end: Determined how well you did on your goals
Year 2 start: Conceptual budget determined on goal success rate of last year.
Year 2 start: Renegotiate goals for new definitive budget, which may be different from your salary obligations, as you had no indication of this back in July year 1 when you signed your new riders.
Year 2 first half: There is now a gap between budget and rider salaries as a result of the above
Year 2 half way: Transfer market open, so you can now sort of close the salary gap by your new signings, but only until the first of january when the process starts all over again....
Year 3 start: New budget determined and again a budget-salary gap. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 25-06-2013 15:33
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Then only difference to PCM 12 is that your budget can change yearly.
It was like that in PCM 10 and earlier games, so nothing special. |
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| Jeremy |
Posted on 25-06-2013 15:58
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Ok, but the budget change is meaningless. You can't do anything with it.
I could see some use for it if you knew that your budget would be increased in July and if the new values started to kick in in November (I think it's the behavior when there's a sponsor change).
So budget changes should be similar to sponsor change in my opinion. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 25-06-2013 16:02
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Like I explained before, you CAN do something with it. Just not in the actual season, but that is somewhat obvious if the change is announced at the end of the season.
You can sign one year contracts if you don't like this new budget feature.
Edit: As far as I know, the budget will be changed based on the sponsor happiness. If the new budget should be announced in July already, this would mean that good results races like Tour de France or Vuelta would have no impact on the budget at all. Or in other words, you would need to win the spring classics and/or the Giro to get a budget raise.
Edited by Lachi on 25-06-2013 16:21
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| swsquires |
Posted on 25-06-2013 16:28
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In the case of the game I was playing it was impossible to sign riders in July due to the well known bug that was fixed yesterday. At the end of the season there is the day when promotions/relegations are announced. It was announced that I was one of the teams promoted to Pro Continental. I then had a separate email in my inbox from my sponsor telling me that due to my promotion they were increasing my budget. I can't remember the exact amount, but it was something like Euro 300-400k more.
Simon
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| tellico |
Posted on 25-06-2013 19:41
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I simulate the entire season without completing any sponsors objective. Bar was almost empty, only little piece of red. 25.10 message: sponsors are unhappy with your results. New budget: 0$. So I assume that if the season would be great then budget would be increase. Pretty good for me. |
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| mpritch |
Posted on 06-07-2013 00:58
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Let me see if I am tracking with Lachi here. I am a bit frustrated that I can't have a 'dream staff', but it is much more realistic, so I'll have to adapt...
The big challenge for me is that right away you waste so much money on equipment in year 1.
Step 1: Sign a 1 year contract with your sponsor
Step 2: Raise the goals to bring in more money (despite them probably already being very difficult to achieve)
Step 3: Do the best you can
Step 4: Fail to meet the goals
Step 5: Sign a new sponsor contract
Step 6: Since you have paid your equipment and staff signing bonus' in year one, you should be set to have a long prosperous career
Right? |
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