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| Levi4life |
Posted on 08-12-2007 22:25
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What the hell is snookers.
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Posted on 09-12-2007 01:35
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issoisso wrote:
well, it's not a question of genetics as we're all human. there are some genetics differences between peoples (Congo-basin africans being amazing sprinters and sucking balls at endurance, Eastern Africans the other way around. these are just small examples), but they're usually small. and inside europe there's basically no case to be made with it at all.
it's a combination of infrastructure and mentality and something there is missing
But what if that mentality is a genetic trait of a country?
And I think you take the case of nurture too strongly - if my hometown had all the infrastructure, money, conditions, trainers and whatever else flung at it for the towns young population to become atheletes (enrolement at the local high school - 1500), I bet you would be hard pushed to find even one world class athelete in any discipline - even if they were brought up like this from a young age. Sure, they'd be fit, but evidence suggests that not all peoples genes are suitable for sport, or at least not for all sports.
A quick google brought this up - its a fairly balanced article, citing how nature and nurture are essential to a successful athelete
https://www.onlinesports.com/sportstru...ive10.html
By the way I think its quite logical a country that has a population of 50,000,000 is more likely to produce more genetically talented atheletes than a country of 5,000,000 |
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Posted on 09-12-2007 01:36
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Levi4life wrote:
What the hell is snookers.
I think its 'billiards' in USA-speak...but there are slight differences me thinks? Anyone clarify that? |
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Posted on 09-12-2007 01:59
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In "USA Speak" its called pool I can't believe it is an olympic sport
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Posted on 09-12-2007 02:15
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holland also rules
Sem Schilt has become K1 World Grand Prix champion again 3 times in a row(that's kickboxing), and another Dutchman, Peter Aerts, became 2nd (former 3x world champion). Repeat of last years final 
3 of the 8 competitors who reached the final were dutch, among them also Remy Bonjasky (2 times world champion). Since the K1 World series started, only three times a non Dutchman won.
We rule at fighting.  And K1 is not a small part, it's huge in Asia. |
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Posted on 09-12-2007 08:09
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stuartmcstuart wrote:
But what if that mentality is a genetic trait of a country?
I met a german couple in southern Portugal when I was on vacation back in September. they were typical germans. although it was hard to communicate because despite living here for a long time, they both spoke very little portuguese or english.
their daughter on the other hand, who was born and raised there, spoke perfect portuguese with just the accent from that region (which is quite a funny one) and behaved just like a portuguese person from that region does.
that's just one example, but I know several sons and daughters of immigrants, most from eastern europe or africa and they all behave radically differently from their parents. it's society that makes them what they are, not the genes from their parents.
stuartmcstuart wrote:
And I think you take the case of nurture too strongly - if my hometown had all the infrastructure, money, conditions, trainers and whatever else flung at it for the towns young population to become atheletes (enrolement at the local high school - 1500), I bet you would be hard pushed to find even one world class athelete in any discipline - even if they were brought up like this from a young age. Sure, they'd be fit, but evidence suggests that not all peoples genes are suitable for sport, or at least not for all sports.
but that's random. just as easily could there be no people world class at any sports...as there could be several dozens. it's random.
stuartmcstuart wrote:
By the way I think its quite logical a country that has a population of 50,000,000 is more likely to produce more genetically talented atheletes than a country of 5,000,000
of course it's more likely. it's just not the biggest factor in my opinion unless the difference in population is enormous (think 100.000 vs. 10.000.000)
Edited by issoisso on 09-12-2007 08:10
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Posted on 09-12-2007 10:42
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issoisso wrote:
it's society that makes them what they are, not the genes from their parents.
But the genes they have give them their potential.
Running and cycling are extremely good examples I feel to show that nature is predominant. In my training group, we all do exactly the same stuff, but there is still the same variation - one of our group runs for Great Britain at the Youth Olympics, whilst many of us will never get anywhere hear him, even though we do exactly the same |
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Posted on 09-12-2007 10:48
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Crommy wrote:
issoisso wrote:
it's society that makes them what they are, not the genes from their parents.
But the genes they have give them their potential.
Running and cycling are extremely good examples I feel to show that nature is predominant. In my training group, we all do exactly the same stuff, but there is still the same variation - one of our group runs for Great Britain at the Youth Olympics, whilst many of us will never get anywhere hear him, even though we do exactly the same
you took that quote out of context and thus completely missed my point. my point is that from one country to another the differences are negligible in genetics and what's different is the infrastructure and mentality.
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Posted on 09-12-2007 10:52
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Posted on 09-12-2007 11:09
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Crommy wrote:
Sorry ops:
no problem. happens
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Posted on 09-12-2007 12:32
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Who thought that a topic about Denmark's succesfulness in curling would develop into a question about genetics? |
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Posted on 09-12-2007 12:36
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CrueTrue wrote:
Who thought that a topic about Denmark's succesfulness in curling would develop into a question about genetics?
what did you expect, really? it's Denmark and Curling...In can't name two more boring subjects 
Edited by issoisso on 09-12-2007 12:36
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