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| LLDS |
Posted on 21-02-2013 10:48
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Lachi wrote:
Regarding question 1:
You can change the fitness training plan at any time during the season but the rider might not be able to follow the new plan, if you change it too drastically.
Example: One week before the Tour de France you notice that you have set a wrong fitness plan for Contador, instead of level 6 you have set level 4. You can change the training level to 6 for the TdF and Contador will try to reach level 6. But since his actual training level is around 4, he first needs to train one or more weeks to reach level 5, then he needs to train 4 weeks at level 5 before he can reach level 6.
He might also train harder, so his fatigue will raise a faster.
The same is valid if you reduce the training level. A riders fitness can only drop one level per week, even if you change the fitness plan.
Thanks. I want to change it only for the final weeks, to put in form my riders who haven't ride too much. |
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| Cycling Rookie |
Posted on 21-02-2013 14:40
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JuanMotr wrote:
First of all welcome  and I will try to answer as much as I know
2,3, 
This table shows which training type coveres which attributes. 3 is a maximum amount of proggres your rider can get. For example if you train someone as a Fighter his flat attribute will rise much more than if you would train him as Climber. When there is a zero that doesn't mean that he won't get any better at that stat, proggres will be just slower.
Thanks for the help here guys just something I need clarifying.
Looking at the table above.
Say I have a rider with 62 and 5 Stars progress against his FLAT Attributes.
I have a Legendary trainer specialising in Fighter skills.Does this mean my rider will only ever get 3 of his progress stars ever developed ?
I understand the difference in Trainers between Legendary and Average is the speed it takes for the attributes of the rider to develop,so what exactly does the 3 figure in the chart mean?
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| cio93 |
Posted on 21-02-2013 14:42
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It's only relative progression speed.
3 is faster than 2 is faster than 1 is faster than 0.
Every rider can develop fully in every stat.
Note that only the trainer value for the specialization he actually trains the riders in affects progression speed (but applies to all stats), the "Legendary" etc. labels give a rough estimation of his overall stats, nothing more.
A regional trainer with 7 in Sprints is better than a legendary with 6.
Plus, the trainer value adds up with the ones in that table, there's no interaction between them.
Edited by cio93 on 21-02-2013 14:47
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Posted on 21-02-2013 14:47
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Thanks Cio93,
So on my example rider above, with a Legendary trainer specializing in Fighting how long (ROUGHLY/in your experience)will it take my rider to reach his maximum FLAT attribute (no stars left) ? |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 21-02-2013 14:50
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That's very dependent on gene_i_year_progression. A rider with 5 there might need a year or less, a rider with 1 there 4 or 5 years.
Edited by cio93 on 21-02-2013 14:50
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Posted on 21-02-2013 14:54
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Ah I see Cio93 it`s down to each individual rider then.
Does age have a baring on speed of progression too,eg a younger rider will progress faster than an older one? |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 21-02-2013 14:59
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Looking at this very helpful thread where we all have most of our knowledge from, no.
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Posted on 21-02-2013 15:10
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Thanks Cio93,
I haven`t seen that before.
Very interesting in the 2nd post sierramike says
"Coaches
First off: fame doesn't do anything.What counts is the attribute of the workplan selected (for ex.fighter)."
This indicates to mean that there`s no advantage of having a Legendary Trainer than a Average Trainer?
You think this is correct?
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| cio93 |
Posted on 21-02-2013 15:11
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cio93 wrote:
A regional trainer with 7 in Sprints is better than a legendary with 6.
Edited by cio93 on 21-02-2013 15:12
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| LLDS |
Posted on 21-02-2013 15:31
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First of all, what it counts it's the trainer stat. If you want a TT trainer be sure to have 10 or 9 in TT. However, only a Legendary trainer will have 9 or 10 in a skill, from what I saw.
In the table you saw 0 means a normal training speed, let's say x/day. The value of 1 is 2x/day, the value of 2 is 3x/day, the value of 3 is 5x/day. I saw this somewhere.
But, from what I understood, each rider has a different age of fast improving in skills. One rider could develop faster at 21 years, other rider at 25 and so on. |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 21-02-2013 16:24
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LLDS wrote:
First of all, what it counts it's the trainer stat. If you want a TT trainer be sure to have 10 or 9 in TT. However, only a Legendary trainer will have 9 or 10 in a skill, from what I saw.
Yes.
Quite probably.
LLDS wrote:
In the table you saw 0 means a normal training speed, let's say x/day. The value of 1 is 2x/day, the value of 2 is 3x/day, the value of 3 is 5x/day. I saw this somewhere.
It's in the thread I linked to.
LLDS wrote:
But, from what I understood, each rider has a different age of fast improving in skills. One rider could develop faster at 21 years, other rider at 25 and so on.
That's gene_i_year_progression, about which the linked thread has thorough mathematical explanation as well.
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| LLDS |
Posted on 24-02-2013 11:22
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I don't know how to do it properly, but this is the situation.
If a rider tells me that he want to mull over an offer what are the chances that he will stay in my team ? Until now every single rider who told me that message didn't continue with me. I don't now what I did wrong. I offer Cancellara a renew in February, so no other team show interest in him yet, I accept all his conditions (money and contract duration). Why isn't he interested to stay ?
He says he wants to mull over, and I assume that he will leave, even that in the message it said that he may stay with my team. But Andy and Franck Schleck told me the same and they leaved.
Any advice  ? |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 24-02-2013 11:40
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Offer some more money, maybe? If you want to, you can EDIT his choice in an editor (Fast Editor, Lachi's Editor...), so that he stays. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 24-02-2013 13:02
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The game tries to simulate that some riders want to leave their team for whatever reason. The same happens if you try to sign other riders, they might turn down your offer, even if the other contract pays less money.
Maybe you made the offer too soon in the season. If you wait until he has some good results, he might consider to stay in your team because he feels supported.
BTW: Did you know that riders will approach you, if their contract runs out. Maybe it would be wise to wait until they contact you. |
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| flyingspurs |
Posted on 24-02-2013 16:07
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i have only tried once (gregory rast) who re-signed with me while saying he will mull over, but over 90% of them wont sign lol...
btw, if i try to renew a year before, it seems it will occupy an extra roster space?
Edited by flyingspurs on 24-02-2013 16:08
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| LLDS |
Posted on 24-02-2013 16:40
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Ian Butler wrote:
Offer some more money, maybe? If you want to, you can EDIT his choice in an editor (Fast Editor, Lachi's Editor...), so that he stays.
I made a second offer with more money, he gave me the same answer.
I don't want to modify that in an editor. I know that I can modify the sponsor income, the contract, the training speed, almost everything in an editor, but I want to play the game, to understand it. If it is for editing, I can make a 85 stat team and winning everything, but that's not the purpose of a game.
I will try to offer him even more money, who knows ? |
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| LLDS |
Posted on 24-02-2013 16:44
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Lachi wrote:
The game tries to simulate that some riders want to leave their team for whatever reason. The same happens if you try to sign other riders, they might turn down your offer, even if the other contract pays less money.
Maybe you made the offer too soon in the season. If you wait until he has some good results, he might consider to stay in your team because he feels supported.
BTW: Did you know that riders will approach you, if their contract runs out. Maybe it would be wise to wait until they contact you.
I know that the riders contact me in June, but if a rider enters in the plans of another team for the next season, he will not contact me anymore .
I will try to make him another offer when he will have more wins (I have already 5 wins with Cancellara, the fitness plan for the spring is a win until now). |
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| LLDS |
Posted on 24-02-2013 16:46
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flyingspurs wrote:
i have only tried once (gregory rast) who re-signed with me while saying he will mull over, but over 90% of them wont sign lol...
btw, if i try to renew a year before, it seems it will occupy an extra roster space?
So, I have 10% chances of keeping him  ? |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 24-02-2013 16:54
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LLDS wrote:
Lachi wrote:
The game tries to simulate that some riders want to leave their team for whatever reason. The same happens if you try to sign other riders, they might turn down your offer, even if the other contract pays less money.
Maybe you made the offer too soon in the season. If you wait until he has some good results, he might consider to stay in your team because he feels supported.
BTW: Did you know that riders will approach you, if their contract runs out. Maybe it would be wise to wait until they contact you.
I know that the riders contact me in June, but if a rider enters in the plans of another team for the next season, he will not contact me anymore .
I will try to make him another offer when he will have more wins (I have already 5 wins with Cancellara, the fitness plan for the spring is a win until now). Apparently you have no chance even if you contact them earlier. Either accept it or edit. |
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| LLDS |
Posted on 24-02-2013 17:06
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I don't want to edit. I have to admit, you did a great job with these tools, but I prefer to play according to the game's rules. It's like in life, we don't have an editor, we have to learn the rules. And for me, when I play, the main reason is not to win, but to understand how to win.
The season planner, on the other hand, is a tool I use because it don't change the game, it just helps you planning better.
It's how I see the things, no offense. |
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