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| ruben |
Posted on 11-11-2007 19:38
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Well, in his defense he had back troubles all week, which bothered him during this weekend |
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| Valor |
Posted on 11-11-2007 19:43
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...and Nijs leads the World cup with 1030 points in front of Wellens with 865 and Stybar with 814
Belgium still lead nations ranking and Netherlands leads over Czech rep only by 12 points. We need Ausbuher, Simůnek and Kyzivát to start working.
The provisonary UCI ranking is this:
1. Nijs BEL 1030
2. Wellens BEL 865
3. Stybar CZE 814
4. Vantornout BEL 786
5. Boom NED 601
6. Mourey FRA 570
7. Vervecken BEL 488
8. Heule SUI 479
9. Dlask CZE 436
10. Vanthourenhout BEL 407
11. Groenendaal NED 391
12. Pauwels BEL 338
13. Franzoi ITA 333
14. Aernouts NED 319
15. Å imůnek CZE 303
16. Page USA 302
17. De Knegt NED 291
18. Zahner SUI 275
19. Albert BEL 269
20. Chainel FRA 259
21. Van Gils BEL 259
22. AL NED 204
23. Urban GER 172
24. Metlička SVK 151
25. Birkenfeld GER 144
26. Sickmuller GER 140
27. Ausbuher CZE 128
28. Vanthourenhout BEL 125
29. Chrobák CZE 113 |
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| ruben |
Posted on 11-11-2007 19:47
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With all the respect, but normally the Netherlands simply will be stronger. It has allways been that way. Boom is better then Stybar, Groenendaal and Dlask are almost as strong, de Knegt is stronger then Simunek, Van Gils is stronger then Ausbuher, and Al is stronger then Kyzivat  |
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 11-11-2007 19:55
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American Katie Compton won the womans race
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| Valor |
Posted on 11-11-2007 21:28
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I m looking forward when all Czech U23 will became a men, because of their placement on European Chhamps (all 5 in top 10). But Netherlands is stronger simply because there is more good riders. And also because of Mlynar, who could be in fisrt 10 in all races, but he has lack of morale and health. |
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| Valor |
Posted on 11-11-2007 21:32
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Ruben wrote:
With all the respect, but normally the Netherlands simply will be stronger. It has allways been that way. Boom is better then Stybar, Groenendaal and Dlask are almost as strong, de Knegt is stronger then Simunek, Van Gils is stronger then Ausbuher, and Al is stronger then Kyzivat
And why is Stybar in front of Boom and Simůnek in front of de Knegt? 
(and now will Ruben start to make excuse that they have lack of shape and they are after illnes and so on).
We shall see at the and of the season, when a Belgian finally won't be world champion. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 11-11-2007 23:26
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Geez Ruben - is there no discipline where there isnt a rider that you need to post all the time saying how great they are compared to everyone else?
Dekker on the Road. Boom in Cyclocross. Bos on the track?
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| ruben |
Posted on 11-11-2007 23:57
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No, the Belgians own everything
I was just saying there is no way Czech can finish 2nd instead of Holland
but maybe you just can't read or maybe you only reactions to me are attacks, maybe you should search a purpose in life or something, but I don't lilke you venting your personal frustations on to me. Go cry in a corner or something, but don't bother me with it, thanks  |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 12-11-2007 00:10
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Do feel free to continue the patronising, it wont work.
Fine, maybe not the Belgians, but Stybar, incase you hadnt noticed, is ranked ahead of Boom. Tell me how that makes him 'clearly better'? Maybe he was on the day, but thats not what you said or meant.
Ive got no problem with you supporting Dutch riders, but you exaggerate too much at times.
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| ruben |
Posted on 12-11-2007 00:28
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Oh, don't try smart talking about cyclocross, don't go there unless you want to be humiliated.
But wait, too late, you've already gone there lol. Stybar was already riding crosses in Czech (and winning, because there's no international field there), when Boom was riding the world championships in stuttgart (and winning the time trial, as i'm sure you'll remember). Thus he already gained a lot of UCI Points there where Boom still had to start his season
When Boom started racing in Kalmthout (where Stybar won) it was his first cross of the season, straight 2 weeks after his world title, the switch is enormous and impossible ofcourse. Already in Boom's second cross he finished 3rd. In his 3rd cross he missed rythm again, but now in his 4th and 5th cross he is 2nd and 1st.
What's more, Kalmthout is a fast technical cross, were the group stays together very long, and team tactics actually come in play. Stybar rode away early and Fidea played it very well so Nys came too late. Now, the crosses of the past weekend are known as really hard, because of the rain it was real muddy, also known as real cyclocrosses. The thoughest crosses of the season so far, and it's there were Boom showed his real strength this weekend by being the strongest (although Nys wasn';t top because of an inury).
And were was Stybar now? ...Exactly, nowhere near the top 5.
So, before trying to being a smartmouth, you might consider actually having to dig in the sport and actually know something about it  |
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| Setzel |
Posted on 12-11-2007 00:41
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escuse me for entering this argue but ruben do you think you are the best in cyclocross and if you just dont tell to people they will never believe u because this is never possible
And SN was talking facts not because he where in Stuttgart nobody CARES the rankings cares if he is behind Stybar he is not better then stybar
Boom wanted Cyclo and Road so he tooked his risks but he will not win WCH this year he needs to decide cyclor or road and then get into shape and win the rankings and the wch becasue he will never do it making road and cyclo
That was my point i will not start an argue or response again ...
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 12-11-2007 00:55
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Do feel free to continue the patronising, it wont work.
Fine, maybe not the Belgians, but Stybar, incase you hadnt noticed, is ranked ahead of Boom. Tell me how that makes him 'clearly better'? Maybe he was on the day, but thats not what you said or meant.
Ive got no problem with you supporting Dutch riders, but you exaggerate too much at times.
You do tend to "exagerate," to use SN term, but so do I. And so do all the Brits, swooning over Millar, Thomas, and Wiggins.
Lets put it this way. Stybar and Boom are two great Cross riders! And so is Katie Compton
EDIT: Shut up Setz
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| ruben |
Posted on 12-11-2007 00:56
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@setzel: First of all, try improving your typing because I don't understand half of what you're saying there do you think you are the best in cyclocross"
No, I have ridden in the field once, and I suck at riding cyclocross, so I still think Nys is the best 
Edited by ruben on 12-11-2007 00:57
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 12-11-2007 15:51
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Okay then, question to the Cyclocross experts: Dont you think having practically all the best riders riding for either Rabobank or Fidea is bad for Cyclocross? Its surely isnt 'healthy' for competitive racing?
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 12-11-2007 16:10
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Im no expert, but having most of the good riders in one or two teams is usually bad.
THE THOMAS VOECKLER PROPHET OF PCM DAILY
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| ruben |
Posted on 12-11-2007 17:40
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Okay then, question to the Cyclocross experts: Dont you think having practically all the best riders riding for either Rabobank or Fidea is bad for Cyclocross? Its surely isnt 'healthy' for competitive racing?
Not exactly, as cyclocross is barely a teamsport. In some of the early season races, where the weather is good and there's not much mud, team tactics come into play and Rabobank/Fidea often have the advantage. But when the crosses get hard (usually in december, last weekends crosses were exceptional because of the unexpected rain), it's every man for itself.
You could say it's bad that 2 teams have all the best riders, which makes it hard for other sponsers to get a decent spot. But on the other hand, teams like Sunweb Projob and ZPPR.nl have the money to get decent riders, but they fail in getting a professional structure like Rabobank or Fidea. So it's partly also the fault of the teams themselves.
Same budget, bud bad structure which doesn't allow top riders to perform. For instance Sven Vanthourenhout (Sunweb) did much better at Rabobank then at Sunweb. Vannopen even went into depression after changing from Palmans to Sunweb. So...bad management if you ask me. |
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| litllemagnum |
Posted on 12-11-2007 17:51
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i agree with ruben for most things but i think that he should mention that in the koppenbergcross stybar ended 3rd. that is a very good performance cause it is one of the hardest crosses there is |
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| ruben |
Posted on 12-11-2007 18:11
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Yup but the Koppenbergcross is also very early in the season and it goes without saying most crossers reach their top form in december |
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| litllemagnum |
Posted on 12-11-2007 19:11
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that is also true.
we all know that boom is the biggest talent in cyclo-cross(although albert is maybe as good) but stybar is right after them. these three will be the futur stars of cyclo-cross. |
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 12-11-2007 19:17
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Tim Johnson will own all of Cyclo Cross.
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