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UCPCL Draft Thread - Round 13+14
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| francopell |
Posted on 05-12-2012 16:45
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TheManxMissile wrote:
@francopell
there is no point to giving riders a value when there is no wage limit. There is no wage limit because it doesnt fit this style of draft or game set-up
But then you'd get a team of Contador, Boonen, Cavendish, Cancellara and ten over superstars (or similar riders) in one team. That team and last team in the draft would dominate. I think this takes away the strategic aspect to a draft, you're just taking the best riders possible if you're at the start. It doesn't matter if you have a balanced team, a team consisting of the best would destroy everyone. A budget would make you have to think rather than judging by averages. I could make a very good prediction on the final standings (if all managers stay active) just by serpentine order. Everyone will have an all-round team as you can have loads of top class riders. |
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| juszta |
Posted on 05-12-2012 16:47
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francopell wrote:
But then you'd get a team of Contador, Boonen, Cavendish, Cancellara and ten over superstars (or similar riders) in one team. That team and last team in the draft would dominate. I think this takes away the strategic aspect to a draft, you're just taking the best riders possible if you're at the start. It doesn't matter if you have a balanced team, a team consisting of the best would destroy everyone. A budget would make you have to think rather than judging by averages. I could make a very good prediction on the final standings (if all managers stay active) just by serpentine order. Everyone will have an all-round team as you can have loads of top class riders.
How on Earth would you get such a team? Most of the riders you have mentioned are sure to be first round picks, so they will go to different teams. The draft will still have to be strategic mostly because of the nationality aspect. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 05-12-2012 16:59
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@francopell
You'll be surprised how soon the quality of the riders drops. Also rounds 3+4 will have restrictions. Then from round5 the CT teams will be involved.
If you want, try and find the P-MG draft thread. That will give you a good idea of how things will work and end up.
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| juszta |
Posted on 05-12-2012 17:23
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francopell wrote:
superstars
Round 4 of the Pseudo-MG draft:
Spoiler | Audi-Trek | pvalente | Nicolas Roche | | Dolan-3T | Jakstar22 | Daniel Martin | | Team Vestas Wind | housoe | Matti Breschel | | Aviva � Accor Cycling | rlobb17 | Richie Porte | | Lavazza | lennybernstein | Marco Pinotti | | Grolsch Cycling | Itt | Steven Kruijswick | | MTN � SuperSport | Patricmy | Sylvain Chavanel | | PrivatBank | fjhoekie | Filippo Pozzato | | Blusens- Avintia | FreitasPCM | J.A. Flecha | | Colombia Coldeportes | canojuancho | Bjorn Leukemans | | BMW - Allianz | jaxika | Thomas Voeckler | | Clas - Cajastur | mpardo | Rein Taaramae | | Evian Pro Cycling Team | jph27 | Pierre Rolland | | Team CSC | fernando97 | Borut Bozic | | LG - Cannondale | bennetWPS | Gerald Ciolek | | Avanti - Bike NZ | Pinktay3 | Greg Henderson | | Swalec-UNICEF | baggieboys32 | Nick Nuyens | | Rockstar Toronto | Teddy The Creator | J.J. Haedo | | Team UK Youth | sutty68 | Geraint Thomas | | Team Holden-Westpac | Zoom123 | Theo Bos | | Santander | jt1109 | Ezequiel Mosquera | | ANZ - Giant Cycling Team | Eden95 | Jakob Fuglsang | | VI � SigaarSnor | Vien | Tejay van Garderen | | Ferrari - BA Cycling | Wiley | Andrea Guardini | | UBS - Rolex | franki28 | Fabio Duarte | | Open Conti | 1 | Franco Pellizotti | | Open Conti | 2 | Maxime Monfort | | Open Conti | 3 | Johan Vansummeren | | Open Conti | 4 | Stefano Garzelli | | Open Conti | 5 | Mikel Astarloza | | Open Conti | 6 | Christian Vande Velde | | Open Conti | 7 | Mark Renshaw | | Open Conti | 8 | Vasil Kiryienka | | Open Conti | 9 | Kanstantsin Siutsou | | Open Conti | 10 | Peter Velits | | Open Conti | 11 | Benat Intxausti | | Open Conti | 12 | Simon Gerrans | | Open Conti | 13 | Daniel Moreno | | Open Conti | 14 | Wout Poels | | Open Conti | 15 | Jerome Coppel | | Open Conti | 16 | Denis Galimzyanov | | Open Conti | 17 | Thomas de Gendt |
You can already see the quality dropping. And it's just round 4. |
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| FroomeDog99 |
Posted on 05-12-2012 17:54
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Right in the middle, should get a nicely balanced team
How many riders submitted per round?
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 05-12-2012 18:41
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FroomeDog99 wrote:
Right in the middle, should get a nicely balanced team
How many riders submitted per round?
If your first pick then i will only need 1 rider. 2nd pick 2 riders etc.
But each round will only give 1 rider to a team.
In later phases i'll try and do multiple rounds at once, but thats much later
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| nils erik |
Posted on 05-12-2012 19:13
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Should'nt we submit more riders per round, so we will be sure to get one? Or if we just submit one, what happens if that already is chosen? |
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| juszta |
Posted on 05-12-2012 19:16
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nils erik wrote:
Should'nt we submit more riders per round, so we will be sure to get one? Or if we just submit one, what happens if that already is chosen?
Only the first pick submits 1 rider. If you are let's say 11th pick, you submit a list of 11 riders, so you will at least get the last one. |
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| maxime86 |
Posted on 06-12-2012 05:51
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when will the WT teams be announced? |
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| Welwyn |
Posted on 06-12-2012 09:41
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maxime86 wrote:
when will the WT teams be announced?
On that subject, I wish to withdraw my certainty of CT membership and apply for one of the available WT spots. |
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| juszta |
Posted on 06-12-2012 14:39
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Draft - Round 1 : Expectations and speculations
The two german teams: Greipel, Kittel, Degenkolb
We can expect some quality sprinters getting picked in the first round
The three british teams: Froome, Cavendish, Wiggins, ?
These three riders may get drafted in the first round, but it's also quite likely, that we will see a pick from another nation
The italian team: Nibali, (Petacchi, Basso)
Would be really surprising if they didn't pick Nibali. The last two names are here in case Nibali gets taken.
The columbian and argentinean teams: Urán, J.J.Haedo, spanish riders?
These two riders are expected if they pick from their homecountry, but will they think like this?
The belgian-italian team: Gilbert, Boonen, Van den Broeck, Nibali
They are expected to draft a real classics star, but they can easily surprise us, since they have the first pick.
The dutch-belgian team: Gesink, Boonen, Gilbert, Van den Broeck
They are one of the last picks in the first round, so we'll see who they can get.
The "Wild-Cards": ???
We don't know what nationalities to expect, so they will shake things up quite a bit, especially since two of them have quite early picks in the first round.
Yeah, I had some free time, and I was bored.
Also, this is solely my view on the draft, things will probably go differently.
Edited by juszta on 06-12-2012 16:15
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 06-12-2012 14:46
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belgian twice?
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| juszta |
Posted on 06-12-2012 14:50
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
belgian twice?
ING-InBev is  -
Lierse-Pizza Ullo is -
I only included the sponsor-nationalities. |
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 06-12-2012 14:55
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juszta wrote:
SSJ2Luigi wrote:
belgian twice?
ING-InBev is -
Lierse-Pizza Ullo is -
I only included the sponsor-nationalities.
that makes sense
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-12-2012 14:58
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I like the Draft predictions actually. Nice thing to do when you're bored 
Although I might change my plans, since maybe it's not tactical to pick the riders in the predictions... Well, I will see what I will do...
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 06-12-2012 15:13
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Uran and Haedo are not first round picks... would be a big surprise
Neither is Pettachi. Scarponi, Cunego, Ballan, Pozzato and Basso are all better in my opinion. Cataldo and Moser are on the same level because of their age.
No mention of Cancellara or Contador! They dont help nationalities but they have to be Round 1 Picks. As is Sagan.
But we will have to wait and see
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| juszta |
Posted on 06-12-2012 15:27
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Uran and Haedo are not first round picks... would be a big surprise
Neither is Pettachi. Scarponi, Cunego, Ballan, Pozzato and Basso are all better in my opinion. Cataldo and Moser are on the same level because of their age.
No mention of Cancellara or Contador! They dont help nationalities but they have to be Round 1 Picks. As is Sagan.
But we will have to wait and see
I know Uran and Haedo would be surprising , that's why the "spanish riders" is there. It also includes Contador .
I think no current WT team is looking for Cancellara as a first draft (again, I might be totally wrong), but the one of the WildCard teams might (*khmm* fcancellara *khmm*).
You are right about Petacchi and the other italian riders, I kinda forgot about them 
Also, I expect Sagan to be Round 2 pick, but again, I might be completely wrong . Anyways, it was just meant to be a rough list, so I won't be surprised if the draft goes in a completely different direction |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-12-2012 15:28
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Uran and Haedo are not first round picks... would be a big surprise
Neither is Pettachi. Scarponi, Cunego, Ballan, Pozzato and Basso are all better in my opinion. Cataldo and Moser are on the same level because of their age.
No mention of Cancellara or Contador! They dont help nationalities but they have to be Round 1 Picks. As is Sagan.
But we will have to wait and see
It will also be interesting to see if the old riders, who decline, still will be picked in one of the first rounds(Leipheimer, Horner, Evans etc.)
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 06-12-2012 15:37
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@juszta
You're right Cancellara doesnt fit any current WT team in terms of nationality
But he is still the best cyclist in the game. He can win any cobbles or tt. He can win most hills. He can win GC's. He will go first round, but where is certainly interesting.
Sagan Round 2! No way! Sagan is one of the top sprinters and punchers. He can cobble and climb. He can single-handedly keep a WT team up in normal play.
@Jesleyh
I would be surprised if they went first round. Round 2 for sure though.
If we're talking aging riders, Hushovd and Valverde must be mentioned. Not class leaders, but very good riders.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 06-12-2012 16:03
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You all forgot Danny Pate, he's my round 1 pick!
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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