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Has there ever been a cyclist bust?
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| Strydz |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:03
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Mark Scanlon was meant to be a champion but didn't come close.
Edit. Tomas Vaitkus had big wraps and hasn't lived up to his potential
Edited by Strydz on 25-09-2012 19:07
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| kumazan |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:07
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fjhoekie wrote:
kumazan wrote:
fjhoekie wrote:
Well, I mean really a young rider earning over a million a year, you must be kidding... There are better riders earning not even half that money. Sure he's done great things but even before that he had that massive contract.
Paying someone for his potential rather than his current hability is common in pretty much every sport.
And what happens with most of them?.....
Not with Phinney though. 
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| Wilier |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:09
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| jph27 |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:13
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To add to Cunego and Ullrich, Yaroslav Popovych. |
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| MrUfo87 |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:17
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And what about Brajkovic and Kreuziger? |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:19
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jph27 wrote:
To add to Cunego and Ullrich, Yaroslav Popovych.
Definately, although I somehow don't like to see Ullrich amongst these...
Rujano except for last year's Giro.
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| alexanderlens |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:22
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Rasmus Guldhammer is the first name that springs to my mind. One of the best in the U23 races, but never managed to develop into a top pro rider.
There are plenty of others as well. Just take a look at all the promising youngsters Rabobank produce that never reach top level. Vermeltfoort is probably the latest example.
I will probably hate you forever for this post
But seriously, I think that a top 5 at the TdF a top result is. (gesink)
pointsjersey in the vuelta (mollema)
stage win in Swiss and a top 10 in the Giro. (kruijswijk)
top 5 at WC and several top 10 in classics. (Boom)
and they aren't old.
Löfkvist never made it throught either, did he?
Guess who's back? 
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| alexanderlens |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:24
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Weening and Dekker never made it, as far as i can remember...
Guess who's back?
Lets see how many friens are still around... |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:28
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alexanderlens wrote:
Weening and Dekker never made it, as far as i can remember...
Dekker has a pretty good "reason" for that, though. 
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| arthon |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:28
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alexanderlens wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
Rasmus Guldhammer is the first name that springs to my mind. One of the best in the U23 races, but never managed to develop into a top pro rider.
There are plenty of others as well. Just take a look at all the promising youngsters Rabobank produce that never reach top level. Vermeltfoort is probably the latest example.
I will probably hate you forever for this post
But seriously, I think that a top 5 at the TdF a top result is. (gesink)
pointsjersey in the vuelta (mollema)
stage win in Swiss and a top 10 in the Giro. (kruijswijk)
top 5 at WC and several top 10 in classics. (Boom)
and they aren't old.
Löfkvist never made it throught either, did he?
Well yeah, sure, they have some talent in their team, but I'm sure that for every Gesink or Boom, there's another big prospect who hasn't done anything. |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:29
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Dmytro Grabovskyy is another good one to mention, a great talent who just never did it at the top level. |
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| alexanderlens |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:30
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arthon wrote:
alexanderlens wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
Rasmus Guldhammer is the first name that springs to my mind. One of the best in the U23 races, but never managed to develop into a top pro rider.
There are plenty of others as well. Just take a look at all the promising youngsters Rabobank produce that never reach top level. Vermeltfoort is probably the latest example.
I will probably hate you forever for this post
But seriously, I think that a top 5 at the TdF a top result is. (gesink)
pointsjersey in the vuelta (mollema)
stage win in Swiss and a top 10 in the Giro. (kruijswijk)
top 5 at WC and several top 10 in classics. (Boom)
and they aren't old.
Löfkvist never made it throught either, did he?
Well yeah, sure, they have some talent in their team, but I'm sure that for every Gesink or Boom, there's another big prospect who hasn't done anything.
Spoiler I know, but I'm trying to protect my heroes. 
So proof me!
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:34
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Has there ever been one? Oh man, how many thousands have there been.
About three billion former Rabobanks come to mind
Yaroslav Popovych, next Eddy Merckx. That certainly panned out, didn't it? 
Valentino China is also in the discussion for biggest bust.
Edited by issoisso on 25-09-2012 19:35
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| alexanderlens |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:35
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issoisso wrote:
Has there ever been one? Oh man, how many thousands have there been.
Yaroslav Popovych, next Eddy Merckx. That certainly panned out, didn't it?
Valentino China is also in the discussion for biggest bust.
I was talking about Rabo cyclists...
Guess who's back?
Lets see how many friens are still around... |
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:36
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jph27 wrote:
Dmytro Grabovskyy is another good one to mention, a great talent who just never did it at the top level.
Grabovskyy had obvious reasons... (alcohol and an accident)
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:36
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alexanderlens wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Has there ever been one? Oh man, how many thousands have there been.
Yaroslav Popovych, next Eddy Merckx. That certainly panned out, didn't it?
Valentino China is also in the discussion for biggest bust.
I was talking about Rabo cyclists...
And i was replying to the original post, which is why I didn't quote you
I haven't read your post yet, but considering I already edited in a line about Rabobank riders, I look forward to getting there
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:38
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jph27 wrote:
To add to Cunego and Ullrich, Yaroslav Popovych.
Herein lies the issue. Ullrich and Cunego are both extremely, extremely successful cyclists. They just never reached the pinnacle to to which they were expected. Popovych, on the other hand, was also expected reach that pinnacle, but his palmares reads like that of a quality journeyman, not a star.
I guess the question is, what is a bust? Is it not being successful, or not being as successful as expected? The best NBA example is Chris Webber. He's one of the top 100 players ever, but he was tipped to be on the of the top 10. Is he a bust, or did he just not live up to expectations? Is David Robinson, who was a top 25 player, but was expected to be a top 5 player a bust, or did he just not live up to expectations? If you define bust as the latter, the vast, vast majority of athletes are busts, but it's not necessarily fair as expectations are guesses to begin with. If you define it as a latter, as someone who is expected to accomplish great things who accomplish nothing, then that makes more sense to me, in which case a majority of the names mentioned so far would not apply.
For an interesting read on the subject, I will once again link to The Bible of Cycling, Tim Krabbe's "The Rider:"
https://books.goog...mp;f=false
EDIT: Damn, didn't realize it gets cut off, still the beginning does kind of point to the idea.
Edited by Deadpool on 25-09-2012 19:40
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:40
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Aquarius wrote:
Jan Ullrich
Are you trolling?
fjhoekie wrote:
kumazan wrote:
fjhoekie wrote:
Well, I mean really a young rider earning over a million a year, you must be kidding... There are better riders earning not even half that money. Sure he's done great things but even before that he had that massive contract.
Paying someone for his potential rather than his current hability is common in pretty much every sport.
And what happens with most of them?.....
They fulfill it?
fjhoekie wrote:
jph27 wrote:
Dmytro Grabovskyy is another good one to mention, a great talent who just never did it at the top level.
Grabovskyy had obvious reasons... (alcohol and an accident)
I'd say his awful attitude was the reason and the alcohol and several car accidents were consequences just like his failure as a pro cyclist was
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| cio93 |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:40
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issoisso wrote:
Valentino China is also in the discussion for biggest bust.
That name is new to me. Care to explain in two sentences?
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| alexanderlens |
Posted on 25-09-2012 19:42
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issoisso wrote:
alexanderlens wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Has there ever been one? Oh man, how many thousands have there been.
Yaroslav Popovych, next Eddy Merckx. That certainly panned out, didn't it?
Valentino China is also in the discussion for biggest bust.
I was talking about Rabo cyclists...
And i was replying to the original post, which is why I didn't quote you
I haven't read your post yet, but considering I already edited in a line about Rabobank riders, I look forward to getting there
O, I'm sorry.
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