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Armstrong stops fighting doping charges - USADA wants him banned and stripped for titles
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-08-2012 10:42
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Ian Butler wrote:
Whatever else, I just think it's stupid that they say: you give up fighting, therefore you confess guilt. That's just not logical.
While it is not completly true to say that, i think it could be a very good indicator of things. Why he would stop when he still claims he is innocent? Yeah i know, you believe his heartbreaking story that he rather wants to spend time with kids (because of that reason he also left his wife?  ).
But you are right, it is not a proof, we have many other proofs fortunately...
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
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CountArach wrote:
Also wow, there are 6 people who said that they think he didn't dope. That is more than I thought were still out there.
I dont get these lunatics.  Seven now...
Why the hell you are such a pussy Armstrong and you refuse to go to the court? Better to keep saying i am innocent victim of the witchhunt? Moron...
I think he should also pay the prize money he got for his wins at least.
He's not really being a pussy - he's being clever. He doesn't want most of America to actually know the details of the case. He wants to be able sit there and say it's a witchhunt and that USADA are chasing after him because of a personal vendetta/they hate America/they love cancer. If he goes to court and loses, then the whole of the USA will hear about how their cancer-beating hero was a cheat like everyone else. And Armstrong will no longer be powerful or important.
True that. I did not express myself right...
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Posted on 24-08-2012 10:51
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laidbackmarc wrote:
Armstrong doped and so did the rest between 1999 and 2006. All results in this period, and a couple of years before should be deleted and forgotten. Let's draw a line over all of it and look forward instead, Armstrong, Ullrich and Riis etc. shouldn't be remembered as champions. They should rather be remembered as the best cheaters in a period full of cheaters, according to my opinion.
only a couple of years before?  or are you so naive to think that Merckx, Anquetil, Bobet, Indurain, Lemond, Fignon and many others were clean? shouldn´t they be forgotten as well then?
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Posted on 24-08-2012 10:54
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I don't belive that he was doping. Look what proof they have. Only words of couple cheaters, that other cyclist doped as well. It's just my opinion.
(Sarcasm) But even if he doped, everyone else do it also. Ullrich, Basso, Pantani... top riders. If they all were dopers, so he was "the best" one. In this case it was, other sport in which he was the best... (End of sarcasm) |
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Posted on 24-08-2012 11:02
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Read the comments of people. Based on the fact that it is US site, you won't be surprised.
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Posted on 24-08-2012 11:03
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Well, at least he went down like a man.
Now let's hope he keeps his titles.
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Posted on 24-08-2012 11:05
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fcancellara wrote:
Well, at least he went down like a man.
Now let's hope he keeps his titles.
I think defending yourself against the claims is more manly than saying i did not dope and screw the people who think i am, they are just jealous witch hunters. 
Actually it is the same here in Czech Republic so far, the majority is defending him blindly...
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 24-08-2012 11:06
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I wish they'd let him ride his triathlons, though. No matter how his cycling career was, doped or not doped, he should be able to do triathlons, just test him there. He's probably clean now. He was good for the triathlon sport, it was finally getting some more attention (here anyway).
Edited by Ian Butler on 24-08-2012 11:07
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| Avin Wargunnson |
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Ian Butler wrote:
I wish they'd let him ride his triathlons, though. No matter how his cycling career was, doped or not doped, he should be able to do triathlons, just test him there. He's probably clean now.
He does not want to take part in thriathlons where he could be tested...that says enough.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 24-08-2012 11:08
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Ian Butler wrote:
I wish they'd let him ride his triathlons, though. No matter how his cycling career was, doped or not doped, he should be able to do triathlons, just test him there. He's probably clean now. He was good for the triathlon sport, it was finally getting some more attention (here anyway).
I thought he would only ride triathlons if he wasn't dope-tested... |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 24-08-2012 11:09
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
I wish they'd let him ride his triathlons, though. No matter how his cycling career was, doped or not doped, he should be able to do triathlons, just test him there. He's probably clean now.
He does not want to take part in thriathlons where he could be tested...that says enough.
I don't follow it that closely, but wasn't he going for the Hawaii Iron Man Triathlon? I think they test you there
Anyway, I was just saying it was good for the attention of the sport. It could've used someone like Armstrong, being world-famous and all. |
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Posted on 24-08-2012 11:10
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beagle wrote:
laidbackmarc wrote:
Armstrong doped and so did the rest between 1999 and 2006. All results in this period, and a couple of years before should be deleted and forgotten. Let's draw a line over all of it and look forward instead, Armstrong, Ullrich and Riis etc. shouldn't be remembered as champions. They should rather be remembered as the best cheaters in a period full of cheaters, according to my opinion.
only a couple of years before? or are you so naive to think that Merckx, Anquetil, Bobet, Indurain, Lemond, Fignon and many others were clean? shouldn´t they be forgotten as well then?
Merckx got a was caught 3 times, once during the Giro. The only ban he got was getting disqualified in that Giro
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 24-08-2012 11:11
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Well, at least he went down like a man.
Now let's hope he keeps his titles.
I think defending yourself against the claims is more manly than saying i did not dope and screw the people who think i am, they are just jealous witch hunters.
I mean the way he said it
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 24-08-2012 11:12
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One thing im confused about
If armstrong is found guilty of doping, and is stripped of his titles fair enough
but what about those teammates that have confessed (andreu, i thought hincapie did), will they have any sort of punishment?
other wise it seems like double standards and that the UCI just do what suits their regime
ah i may have answered my own questions there...
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Posted on 24-08-2012 11:13
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TheManxMissile wrote:
One thing im confused about
If armstrong is found guilty of doping, and is stripped of his titles fair enough
but what about those teammates that have confessed (andreu, i thought hincapie did), will they have any sort of punishment?
other wise it seems like double standards and that the UCI just do what suits their regime
ah i may have answered my own questions there...
It is nowt to do with the UCI. They would rather Lance remains the cancer-beating saint. |
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Posted on 24-08-2012 11:17
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On the plus side, its nice to see cycling all over the main news pages on the BBC website... 
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Posted on 24-08-2012 11:31
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kolnierz wrote:
I don't belive that he was doping. Look what proof they have. Only words of couple cheaters, that other cyclist doped as well. It's just my opinion.
(Sarcasm) But even if he doped, everyone else do it also. Ullrich, Basso, Pantani... top riders. If they all were dopers, so he was "the best" one. In this case it was, other sport in which he was the best... (End of sarcasm) Really, they have nothing else ? Maybe you should check facts. Just saying.  |
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Also wow, there are 6 people who said that they think he didn't dope. That is more than I thought were still out there.
I dont get these lunatics. Seven now...
Why the hell you are such a pussy Armstrong and you refuse to go to the court? Better to keep saying i am innocent victim of the witchhunt? Moron...
I think he should also pay the prize money he got for his wins at least.
He's not really being a pussy - he's being clever. He doesn't want most of America to actually know the details of the case. He wants to be able sit there and say it's a witchhunt and that USADA are chasing after him because of a personal vendetta/they hate America/they love cancer. If he goes to court and loses, then the whole of the USA will hear about how their cancer-beating hero was a cheat like everyone else. And Armstrong will no longer be powerful or important.
Where's the "I like this post - I wish I had written it myself" button ? |
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Posted on 24-08-2012 11:40
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Aquarius wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Also wow, there are 6 people who said that they think he didn't dope. That is more than I thought were still out there.
I dont get these lunatics. Seven now...
Why the hell you are such a pussy Armstrong and you refuse to go to the court? Better to keep saying i am innocent victim of the witchhunt? Moron...
I think he should also pay the prize money he got for his wins at least.
He's not really being a pussy - he's being clever. He doesn't want most of America to actually know the details of the case. He wants to be able sit there and say it's a witchhunt and that USADA are chasing after him because of a personal vendetta/they hate America/they love cancer. If he goes to court and loses, then the whole of the USA will hear about how their cancer-beating hero was a cheat like everyone else.
And Armstrong will no longer be powerful or important.
Where's the "I like this post - I wish I had written it myself" button ?
+1
I'd like to hear more from the 'Armstrong didn't dope' crowd. I think this site has proven in the past that there are a lot of misconceptions out there that can be dispelled by facts (and issoisso ).
Edited by CountArach on 24-08-2012 11:41
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Posted on 24-08-2012 11:43
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I just read the article on Sporza and they mentioned something about taking his 7 Tour victories away. Then i remembered that every top 5 (bar maybe Zubeldia and Kivilev?) during his 7 victories has been atleast named in doping affairs before.
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