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| scoup |
Posted on 20-08-2012 18:32
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Guys here I am asking you to give me a good fitness training schedule for radioshack or Sky, can you do this for me ?  |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 20-08-2012 20:29
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The schedules work the same for every team. So what is your problem really? |
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| scoup |
Posted on 21-08-2012 18:43
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Lachi I just want a good schedule, because I'm a rookie on PCM so I don't know to do a good one. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 21-08-2012 21:15
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The fitness schedules are for setting a specific fitness for a specific time of the year. So you would need to tell us at which races you want to shine. But there are several schedules in the game already for the big races. |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 21-08-2012 21:31
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Scoup, I suggest you to try to setup your fitness programs yourself. That way you will get better at it. While it is possible to create almost perfect programs to suit your season goals while minimizing fatigue, you don't need to be so perfectionist, unless your goals are very tough like giro-tour-vuelta triple in hard difficulty levels.
As a general rule, try not to have more than 3 weeks at 100% training and less than that if you want quite a few weeks at 80% in a row. One thing that works, specially if you can't be bothered to spend a lot of time tweaking custom programs, is to guess some programs in your first season and take note of the overall fatigue of your riders by the end of the season, so to slightly tweak the programs for the second one.
Disclaimer: The above post reflects just the personal opinion of the author and not a fact. But if you read it, you must accept it as the ultimate truth.
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| scoup |
Posted on 22-08-2012 18:20
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Lachi but that schedules caused a lot of fatigue to the riders.
Ildabaoth thanks for the help thats what I'm gonna to do, but theres are plans in the game called TDF 01 although I don't know what riders I will send to this big races, only at the time. So rarely I put the training meter to the level 6 (big green), I will start slowly...
Amazing site Guys !! |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 22-08-2012 18:55
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The higher the fitness, the fast the fatigue will grow. It is not a failure of the program.
But of course you can omit level 6 totally. Like this, your rider will not have the highest fitness but can keep it longer or more often. |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 22-08-2012 20:57
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scoup wrote:
Lachi but that schedules caused a lot of fatigue to the riders.
Ildabaoth thanks for the help thats what I'm gonna to do, but theres are plans in the game called TDF 01 although I don't know what riders I will send to this big races, only at the time. So rarely I put the training meter to the level 6 (big green), I will start slowly...
Amazing site Guys !!
As a general rule, try to define who will be the GT leaders and at least 2 good helpers and stick to that during the season. Unless you have several goals for a particular GT, you don't need more than that. If you don't have a World Tour team, be careful not to focus too much on grand tours, because you might not get an invitation and you will be wasting energy with your fitness program. Besides, with Continental teams your best bet would probably be to focus on 1 week WT races, where the top teams don't usually send fit riders, so you can win them with not so strong cyclists. For that, custom programs do excel, because you can tweak them very well so to fit those specific races, a thing most default programs can't do.
On the other hand, don't be afraid to have a couple of extra riders with high training for the Giro and the Tour, because you have a plan B doing the Tour of California or the Tour of Pologne. For La Vuelta it is a whole different story. Take it easy with that race, because if you aren't invited or if you have too many riders focusing training during the end of August and the first half of September, you will be wasting energy for nothing in exchange.
Disclaimer: The above post reflects just the personal opinion of the author and not a fact. But if you read it, you must accept it as the ultimate truth.
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| scoup |
Posted on 23-08-2012 04:31
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Lachi I know it and for now I will omit the level 6 even that turns impossible reach the best form.
Ildabaoth 1st GT = Gran tours ?
2nd The brothers schleck are a good GT leaders are not they ?
3rd I think being in the radioshack the invitation for the biggest races aren't a problem. You said that I shouldn't focus on many GT races, but many of them are targets of sponsors that I have to reach .
Thanks for all the help guys e sorry my bad english  |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 23-08-2012 04:43
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scoup wrote:
Ildabaoth 1st GT = Gran tours ?
2nd The brothers schleck are a good GT leaders are not they ?
3rd I think being in the radioshack the invitation for the biggest races aren't a problem. You said that I shouldn't focus on many GT races, but many of them are targets of sponsors that I have to reach .
1. Yes, GTs are Grand Tours.
2. Yes, they are great GT riders, specially because in my opinion, Frank Schleck is overrated in most databases.
3. Indeed, Radioshack gets the invitations because it is a World Tour team. Since I didn't know which team you were managing, I mentioned the Pro Continental possibility.
Concerning the question you asked Lachi, perhaps he was talking about regular teammates, because you don't ever need them to have great fitness level during the season unless they are highly specialized (so to contest TTs or classics, for example) or lieutenants. Your main riders will need maximum training level 2 or 3 weeks during the season so to achieve their goals, specially if you play in hard difficulty.
Disclaimer: The above post reflects just the personal opinion of the author and not a fact. But if you read it, you must accept it as the ultimate truth.
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Posted on 27-08-2012 19:12
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Ok thanks Ildabaoth for the advice.
Giro and TDF are my goals I know its dificult but I will try.
can just clarify me something?
1- is there any way to have photos of all cyclists?
2- as I'm on Radioshack, shouldn't I take Frank to Giro instead of going with the two brothers ? |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 28-08-2012 14:09
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1. Many DBs have a lot of photos, but you can always add some more of your own. I'm afraid I forgot the procedure, tho, but there are a lot of people quite skilled around here to ask, if that's your question.
2. While in real life a lot of times Frank Schleck is the main helper for Andy Schleck in the Tour and Andy Schleck is the main helper (drinker) for Frank during the Vuelta, in PCM it might be useless to waste one of them as a helper in a GT due to the 60 days limit of race days before the fatigue penalty. Instead, you can send each to a different GT and try different smaller goals for each one, such as another WT stage races or classics. In my opinion, the gain for having a great helper instead of a good one during a GT is very marginal (take this with a grain of salt; perhaps it is just I suck at managing helpers) and you are wasting 21 race days for him.
Disclaimer: The above post reflects just the personal opinion of the author and not a fact. But if you read it, you must accept it as the ultimate truth.
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| scoup |
Posted on 30-08-2012 14:56
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It's what I'm going to do, sending each of them to a different GT.
I knew nothing about the fatigue penalty, did this affect so much ?
Edited by scoup on 30-08-2012 14:57
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| Lachi |
Posted on 30-08-2012 15:16
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Each rider can race 60 days without problems. After that he will lose 1/2 point of fitness for every additional day. But I don't think it is a big problem because AI riders might have 100 race days at the end of the season, so your rider can outperform them until he reaches 74 days or so. |
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| scoup |
Posted on 01-09-2012 21:37
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Thank Lachi for the doubts that took me out, if I have any further questions I will appear here |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 01-09-2012 21:53
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In the GTs I tend to have helpers who has between 78-80. Anything higher than that and I'd use them for a different GT.
In my current team I have something of a luxury problem; Kreuziger (79 MO) and a created rider (84 MO) are my leaders whilst Duarte and Masciarelli (both 82MO) serve as helpers. If you have both Andy and Frank you might for example use Andy in the Ardennes and the Tour whilst Frank took the Giro and Vuelta.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| scoup |
Posted on 02-09-2012 13:35
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But do not think the Monfort, Horner. Klöden or Machado are not good helpers of Schleck brothers? |
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