Need help on gearing and cassettes
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Ybodonk |
Posted on 31-07-2012 21:21
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DanielKejlberg wrote:
Well I borrowed a cycle last sommer, when my family was in Alanya, Turkey. Cycled one mountain with 8-10% in average for 6-8 km in the middle of the day. In Turkey that's means extreme hot. But else I don't have that much experience
haha sounds very nice. My family is from Turkey
That sounds like a tough mountain.
I just need to ride a couple of hundreds kilometers and loose 5kg quickly and then i will hit to Zurich too
What is the name of the Hotel?
How much money do you estimate to use on the whole trip ?
- I guess like me you have a tight budget. |
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DanielKejlberg |
Posted on 31-07-2012 21:26
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Ohh, forgot the link
https://ridewithgp.../95197#_=_
Well, hard to say. I'm riding on a 10-11 kg bike, and mountain is not my greatest force. I can't really give you a time to go after. I'm kind of a allrounder, and on flat route without any major wind affecting (or what you like to call it ) relativly easy ride 40 km/t for about 30-40 km .. So my level is okay high, so I am expecting to do it fast, but how fast i don't know |
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DanielKejlberg |
Posted on 31-07-2012 21:29
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Arh, Cool
We haven't set a precise date yet, or booked anything. But i think we are staying at Ruderhaus Garni in Sarnen(outside Lucern). I would estimate the cost to place between 3000-4000 kr.
We staying in Switzerland for 2½-3 day |
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Ybodonk |
Posted on 31-07-2012 21:39
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DanielKejlberg wrote:
Ohh, forgot the link
https://ridewithgp.../95197#_=_
Well, hard to say. I'm riding on a 10-11 kg bike, and mountain is not my greatest force. I can't really give you a time to go after. I'm kind of a allrounder, and on flat route without any major wind affecting (or what you like to call it ) relativly easy ride 40 km/t for about 30-40 km .. So my level is okay high, so I am expecting to do it fast, but how fast i don't know
Oh then you are in very good shape. You will still kill me, but hey im still trying to loose my 19 kg of fat that i gained in two years of working fulltime without any soccer or sports activities
Hope i will get at your level at some point, but still a long way.
No matter what , im sure you will do it relatively quickly and good. |
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DanielKejlberg |
Posted on 31-07-2012 21:44
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And hey, when you done with the alps.. You be light as a feather
Cycled since i can remember, but not riding like very serius and with licens any more.
I feel with you, and yeah you shape drop fast if you not active on weekly basis
I have comfidence in you |
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Aquarius |
Posted on 31-07-2012 21:46
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Ybodonk wrote:
The bike is like 2 weeks old so everything is "new".
Is this the one https://www.cykelp...29301.html
Here is a Sram cassette + new chain only 25 euro
Dont now what 7 speed means ?
Teethcombination:12-14-16-18-21-26 og 32
What kind of combination do recommend me to use?
Just tell me the exact combination and words i have to tell. Then i will go down to the shop and tell them what you said.
Maybe a little help.
When i ride on a plain road i always ride on the two lowest gear on the big blade/teeth (didnt know how to translate). Im dont like the big gears.
And on the 8-12 percent climbs i ride at the absolute lowest gear on the low blade/teeths.
This info should help you to tell me which combo you think i should use.
I think you should try to estimate your power with this, for example :
https://www.awsoft...montee.htm
First box is altitude difference, second doesn't need a translation, third is time (of course), fourth is cyclist weight (mark 70 there, whatever it actually is), fifth is bike (equipment) weight. Put the real figure there.
And try to ride at a speed that you think you could sustain on one hour.
You can use sites like www.bikely.com to measure the altitude difference, the length, etc.
7 speeds means seven gears, seven rings on the cassette. I reckon Shimano Sora must have 8 or 9 rings on a cassette nowadays (you can count them). So, a 7 speeds cassette is not going to work well.
I'm all in Campagnolo, but I reckon it's the same at Shimano. I chose the rings I needed myself. When I was a rider (as in a racer), a dozen of years ago, it happened that I bought "the missing ring" (often a 18 or 20 teeth ring), if what I had didn't please me. Not that it'd change the world's face though.
So, depending on your level, and if you keep a 52/39 crankset, and a 9 rings cassette, I'd say something like 12/13/14/16/19/22/25/29/32, or something like that should be adapted to most mountains.
Just for the record, on my every day rear wheel, I have 12/13/14/15/16/17/18/19/21/23/25, whereas on my mountains rear wheel (formerly my competition wheel), I have 12/13/14/15/17/19/21/23/26/29. With a 52/39 crankset as well. |
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Ybodonk |
Posted on 31-07-2012 22:00
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DanielKejlberg wrote:
And hey, when you done with the alps.. You be light as a feather
Cycled since i can remember, but not riding like very serius and with licens any more.
I feel with you, and yeah you shape drop fast if you not active on weekly basis
I have comfidence in you
That would be awesome if i get down to be so light
Oh so you have also riden race etc ?
Yeah i went from training soccer 5 times a week + fitness to not do anything at all.
I was 67kg and ended up at 86.5 and im 176 :/
Thank you mate |
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DanielKejlberg |
Posted on 31-07-2012 22:06
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Not like anything big outside Denmark. Wasn't the biggest talent in my youngest days
Hah,I am 176, and my weight is about 66-67.
I am the old you
But please let me know, if you end up in Switzerland in the autumn vacation. |
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Ybodonk |
Posted on 31-07-2012 22:09
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Aquarius wrote:
Ybodonk wrote:
The bike is like 2 weeks old so everything is "new".
Is this the one https://www.cykelp...29301.html
Here is a Sram cassette + new chain only 25 euro
Dont now what 7 speed means ?
Teethcombination:12-14-16-18-21-26 og 32
What kind of combination do recommend me to use?
Just tell me the exact combination and words i have to tell. Then i will go down to the shop and tell them what you said.
Maybe a little help.
When i ride on a plain road i always ride on the two lowest gear on the big blade/teeth (didnt know how to translate). Im dont like the big gears.
And on the 8-12 percent climbs i ride at the absolute lowest gear on the low blade/teeths.
This info should help you to tell me which combo you think i should use.
I think you should try to estimate your power with this, for example :
https://www.awsoft...montee.htm
First box is altitude difference, second doesn't need a translation, third is time (of course), fourth is cyclist weight (mark 70 there, whatever it actually is), fifth is bike (equipment) weight. Put the real figure there.
And try to ride at a speed that you think you could sustain on one hour.
You can use sites like www.bikely.com to measure the altitude difference, the length, etc.
7 speeds means seven gears, seven rings on the cassette. I reckon Shimano Sora must have 8 or 9 rings on a cassette nowadays (you can count them). So, a 7 speeds cassette is not going to work well.
I'm all in Campagnolo, but I reckon it's the same at Shimano. I chose the rings I needed myself. When I was a rider (as in a racer), a dozen of years ago, it happened that I bought "the missing ring" (often a 18 or 20 teeth ring), if what I had didn't please me. Not that it'd change the world's face though.
So, depending on your level, and if you keep a 52/39 crankset, and a 9 rings cassette, I'd say something like 12/13/14/16/19/22/25/29/32, or something like that should be adapted to most mountains.
Just for the record, on my every day rear wheel, I have 12/13/14/15/16/17/18/19/21/23/25, whereas on my mountains rear wheel (formerly my competition wheel), I have 12/13/14/15/17/19/21/23/26/29. With a 52/39 crankset as well.
God I like you, as always
So i should look for a 9 gears cassette. Since my bike has 18 gears divided on two blades it gives 9 gears on each.
So a 9 gears Shimano or Sram 12/32 cassette with 12/13/14/16/19/22/25/29/32.
Then my combo will be 53/32 right ?
And the new cassette will replace the current "low gears on the little blade"?
I will look for a 9 gears 12/32 cassette and post it here for you to approve it |
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Ybodonk |
Posted on 31-07-2012 22:13
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DanielKejlberg wrote:
Not like anything big outside Denmark. Wasn't the biggest talent in my youngest days
Hah,I am 176, and my weight is about 66-67.
I am the old you
But please let me know, if you end up in Switzerland in the autumn vacation.
Hahah what a quincidance
I will let you know. I will see how much weight i can loose the next two months. If im in great enough shape i will get there too !
But hmm i dont think it will be fun riding with you guys.
I will be totally crushed im sure ! |
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Aquarius |
Posted on 31-07-2012 22:16
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Ybodonk wrote:
God I like you, as always
So i should look for a 9 gears cassette. Since my bike has 18 gears divided on two blades it gives 9 gears on each.
So a 9 gears Shimano or Sram 12/32 cassette with 12/13/14/16/19/22/25/29/32.
Then my combo will be 53/32 right ?
And the new cassette will replace the current "low gears on the little blade"?
I will look for a 9 gears 12/32 cassette and post it here for you to approve it
Your combos will be 53x12 for the biggest gear and 39x32 for the smallest one (relevant when climbing), which should get you above any hill or mountain. Go for it, if you can find such a cassette.
And have the bike shop checking your chain length too. |
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Ybodonk |
Posted on 31-07-2012 22:20
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Aquarius wrote:
Ybodonk wrote:
God I like you, as always
So i should look for a 9 gears cassette. Since my bike has 18 gears divided on two blades it gives 9 gears on each.
So a 9 gears Shimano or Sram 12/32 cassette with 12/13/14/16/19/22/25/29/32.
Then my combo will be 53/32 right ?
And the new cassette will replace the current "low gears on the little blade"?
I will look for a 9 gears 12/32 cassette and post it here for you to approve it
Your combos will be 53x12 for the biggest gear and 39x32 for the smallest one (relevant when climbing), which should get you above any hill or mountain. Go for it, if you can find such a cassette.
And have the bike shop checking your chain length too.
If i dont find it i will buy this one which is the closest i can get to your requirements:
https://www.cykelp...28901.html
teethcombo: 11-12-14-16-18-21-24-28 og 32
+ extra chain
45 euros. Thats a fair price.
The lowest gears on this one, will they ever be used? Maybe if you it like + 18 % ?
I know the lowest is 11 but that was the closest i could find champ |
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Aquarius |
Posted on 31-07-2012 22:22
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If you find a 18 % descent, you might feel more concerned by your brakes than the gears you might use to accelerate.
I barely use my 12, so I wouldn't know what to do with a 11. It makes sense for a compact though, as the biggest chain rings are smaller (well, more compact, hence the name ). |
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Ybodonk |
Posted on 31-07-2012 22:30
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Aquarius wrote:
If you find a 18 % descent, you might feel more concerned by your brakes than the gears you might use to accelerate.
I barely use my 12, so I wouldn't know what to do with a 11. It makes sense for a compact though, as the biggest chain rings are smaller (well, more compact, hence the name ).
Damn someone wrote that the chain fall apart after his second ride
Might reconsider.
Oh i see
Furthermore i guess the cassette have to be named "road cassette"?
If its a MTB cassette it wont fit etc.
So its weird that the danish site doesnt say whether its a MTB or road cassette.
Any sites you recommend to buy from ?
I do also know chainreactioncycles.com |
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Posted on 01-08-2012 09:02
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Thanks for the link to the power calculator Aquarius. It gives me something else to record in my training plan. |
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Posted on 01-08-2012 09:33
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DanielKejlberg wrote:
I will!
In the middle of October is the plan. Me and 3 friends are going to take the train to Zurich and then sleep at a hostel at the buttom of the mountain.
Are you going to ride both in the alps and in the pyra next sommer?
Remember that the big mountain passes (Furka, Grimsel, Nufenen, etc.) will be closed at that time. |
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DanielKejlberg |
Posted on 01-08-2012 10:03
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Hey Bookie.
Thanks for the info
But are you 100% sure.
Many roads have written: Closed in winter
And since i heard that the Schwitz sommer were a month longer, I didn't expect it to be a problem in October.
I know for sure that we planning to ride mountains passes like Glaubenberg and Sustenpass. Do you think that those would be close to? |
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Bookie |
Posted on 01-08-2012 10:13
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For the Furka (2430 m), I'm 99.9% sure it closes at the end of September. The lower passes like Grimsel and Susten may be open a little bit longer, but it also depends on the weather. If there's a snow storm, they will close it. |
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DanielKejlberg |
Posted on 01-08-2012 10:40
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Okay, for sure worth knowing - thanks!
Do you know how the weather are en general in Schwitzerland in October. Should we just expect snow storms and rain? |
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Bookie |
Posted on 01-08-2012 10:51
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These are climate data from a station near the top of the Grimsel:
https://www.meteoswiss.admin.ch/files/...de/GRH.pdf
Usually, you can expect fairly calm and relatively sunny weather in September and October, but snowstorms can occur during any season on these mountain passes (in October, on average on 6.4 days in this station).
Edited by Bookie on 01-08-2012 10:53
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