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Google translation of Sobranos explanation of how skills works
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| tellico |
Posted on 24-07-2011 12:59
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sobrano wrote:
p.s. I invite everyone to write only when you are confident (we can also make mistakes tests) but we should not write anything without first testing.
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I wrote this only beacause i tested it. I did test with 6 riders. Two of them attacks with gel. They do this 4 times each and green moments appear in 50% cases! Guys without gel only one time. Ok, my fault that I made only 8 trials but slow down with the bold font...
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| sobrano |
Posted on 24-07-2011 14:26
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DocSander wrote:
Acceleration
Determines the rate at which the red bar decreases during attacks and sprints.
not only attacks or sprints, but acceleration works everytime (free effort too) |
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| sobrano |
Posted on 24-07-2011 14:31
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tellico wrote:
I wrote this only beacause i tested it. I did test with 6 riders. Two of them attacks with gel. They do this 4 times each and green moments appear in 50% cases! Guys without gel only one time. Ok, my fault that I made only 8 trials but slow down with the bold font...
I am not referring to your post. i am sorry for the misunderstanding.  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-07-2011 14:44
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sobrano wrote:
issoisso wrote:
FTR does something else too. It affects how likely it is that the rider will have a "green moment" when he attacks.
this was true only in pcm 2006, from 2007 i never show that again
I was told that in the PCM2010 beta, so it's at least valid for PCM2010.
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| tellico |
Posted on 24-07-2011 15:43
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I tested again gel impact on the green moment and my previous observations were not confirmed. Only one green moment in 18 attempts so obviously for the first test i was incredible lucky.
About time trial: a mix of TT and prologue stat replaces the plain stat - correct, practically TT/PR is only relevant attribute in flat time trials. But its important to remember that in hill time trials (like eg Grenoble-Grenoble) HI att is important too. I assume that downhill too but i dont test it. Probably in hill time trial alghoritm is the same like on regular hilly stage exception that FL is replaced by TT but still active stat depends on the steepness and >3% HI is taken not TT. I guessing that in <3% is taken downhill but how i say - not test it. So summarize: in flat time trial cyclist A FL=85 TT=70 will have roughly the same time as cycB FL=55 TT=70. But in hilly time trial cycA HI=85 TT=70 will always be better (significantly) than cycB HI=55 TT=70. |
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| sobrano |
Posted on 24-07-2011 17:10
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tellico wrote:
HI att is important too.FL is replaced by TT
i noticed same thing in my 2006 tests
TT replaces FL |
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| Vinofan |
Posted on 03-08-2011 15:49
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nubbish question but... what does the green bar do exactly? |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 03-08-2011 19:03
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Did you ever read the manual of the game? Cannot be wrong.
Basically: If the bar is empty, your rider is empty. At the start of the race the bar is full. During the stage it will decrease based on the heart rate of the rider (should be explained in this or a similar thread). After the stage it will be refilled based on the recovery stat of the rider. |
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| Delorvallois |
Posted on 09-08-2011 23:21
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Question :
How an empty red / yellow bar affect your speed or ppm ?
Anyone know that and already tested it ?
My experience would make me say, it only affects your speed if you put an effort that need more than 166 / 185 ppm but...I feel some kinds of malus. Specially when the yellow bar is empty, and even with an effort under 166 ppm.
Ideas ?
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| sobrano |
Posted on 10-08-2011 19:45
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Delorvallois wrote:
Question :
How an empty red / yellow bar affect your speed or ppm ?
Anyone know that and already tested it ?
My experience would make me say, it only affects your speed if you put an effort that need more than 166 / 185 ppm but...I feel some kinds of malus. Specially when the yellow bar is empty, and even with an effort under 166 ppm.
Ideas ?
redbar consumption treshold drop down when yellow bar is not full.
for exemple when yellow bar is about 1/3 full , the red bar treshold is not 185ppm but 182ppm, an empty redbar and yellow bar affect the speed too
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| Delorvallois |
Posted on 10-08-2011 21:45
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Thx for your answer.
In your opinion, what is worst (to maintain your speed) :
An empty yellow bar but still some red bar
An empty red bar but still some yellow bar
I think an empty yellow bar is worst but have no proof of that. I think that when the yellow bar is empty, the red bar is useless.
What do you think ?
*Sorry for my poor english. |
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| sobrano |
Posted on 12-08-2011 08:19
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Delorvallois wrote:
Thx for your answer.
In your opinion, what is worst (to maintain your speed) :
An empty yellow bar but still some red bar
An empty red bar but still some yellow bar
I think an empty yellow bar is worst but have no proof of that. I think that when the yellow bar is empty, the red bar is useless.
What do you think ?
*Sorry for my poor english.
i think an empty yellow bar too, but i suggest you to try it, it is very easy to test...
an empty yellow bar practically implies an empty red bar too |
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| lasseolsen |
Posted on 12-08-2011 10:58
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We have researched how the skills work, but we still need to find out how the fitness points is playing a role.
In another forum i came across a thought that the fitness points should be multiplied with the skill too calculate the riders speed.
For an example:
Rider AA has 68 in plain and a fitness point at 100, and a dayform at -3. When riding plain road his total pace/strength is 68+100+3=171.
Rider BB has 80 in plain and fitness points at 90, and a dayform at -1. When riding plain road his total pace/strength is 80+90-1=169.
So in this case rider AA is faster/stronger then rider BB. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 12-08-2011 11:08
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If I remember correctly, the fitness and daily form are not factors for the stats. I think they apply to the bar consumption.
I got the information from a programmer but it was long ago and I only remember for sure that the daily form does not change the stats of the riders. |
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| lasseolsen |
Posted on 12-08-2011 11:43
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If your memory is good and the fitness and daily form has nothing to do with the stats, when the calculation of consumption of the bars gets complicated.
The bars consumption then depends on:
1 - the skills
2- the fitness
3- the dayform
The bars affects the pace, as concluded above in the thread.
We can then see that skills works direct and indirect on the riders pace in following way:
Direct as the plain skill affects the pace on plain road.
Indirect as the endurance skill effect the bar consumption and the bar consumption affect the pace.
We still got to answer some questions:
how exactly are the bar consumption effects the pace? There has to bee some kind of a scheme.
And how is the fitness and daily form effecting the bar consumption? there also here has to be some kind of scheme.
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