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Tour de France 11 Rest Day 2
issoisso
Random thought of the day:

Thursday is what you call a "disappointment stage". A stage where a lot of people are expecting a lot to happen even though the profile means it's unlikely that much will happen.
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fenian_1234
hillis91 wrote:
ruben wrote:
If the Schlecks would be smart enough to have Fränk sacrifisie himself for Andy, then maybe Andy could win the Tour.

But no... they'll never do that. Let Fränk make incredible pace until he blows...that would rip the race apart.


They will never do that until he realise that he could never win it. Andy is better then him in both the mountains and on time trial, as far as i know. And somebody should tell him that Pfft


Fingers crossed that they will realize that on the rest day. They've got to get rid of Cadel Evans.

What's the point of both being on the podium if you're not on the top step? Andy may never have a better chance of winning the Tour - you just can't say what the future will ever bring.....
 
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kumazan
issoisso wrote:
Random thought of the day:

Thursday is what you call a "disappointment stage". A stage where a lot of people are expecting a lot to happen even though the profile means it's unlikely that much will happen.


If Leopard, or any other team for that matter, set a fast pace from the Agnello, we may see quite a few guys blowing big time. Those are 3 monsters, even if the Lauteret spoils a bit the stage. Of course, that's a big if.
Edited by kumazan on 18-07-2011 13:47
 
Balaverde
I blew my budget on Contador when he was down at odds 4,5 - after the climb to Luz Ardiden. If there's any chance that he'll shape up within the next few days, I can see him reclaim the title. And I totally agree with the notion that the Schlecks are once again ruining it for each other. Andy calls himself "an aggressive rider" - well, if he wasn't so ****ing keen on overlooking his own shoulder, he might actually drop the others at some point. Jesus.
 
hillis91
issoisso wrote:
Random thought of the day:

Thursday is what you call a "disappointment stage". A stage where a lot of people are expecting a lot to happen even though the profile means it's unlikely that much will happen.


Somebody will crack i think. And Voeckler will loose the jersey.
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ruben
Thursday is rather an underrated stage Isso. Because anotjher factor comes into play: altitude

Aobve 2000m people will suddenly go crap, so even if the climb isn't hard, you'll be suprised how many people will suffer
 
hillis91
ruben wrote:
Thursday is rather an underrated stage Isso. Because anotjher factor comes into play: altitude

Aobve 2000m people will suddenly go crap, so even if the climb isn't hard, you'll be suprised how many people will suffer


Like we talked about, perfect for Gesink, to bad he's now injured...
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Looks like it can be rain in Gap tomorrow. The last decent can be dangerous. Maybe Sanchez and Voeckler can take some more time? I dont think that Evans, Contador and the Schlecks want to risk to much tomorrow.
 
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I hope Sánchez will attack at the top of the last climb and try to gain back some more time on the descent. I don't think it'll happen, though. Frown
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ruben
hillis91 wrote:
ruben wrote:
Thursday is rather an underrated stage Isso. Because anotjher factor comes into play: altitude

Aobve 2000m people will suddenly go crap, so even if the climb isn't hard, you'll be suprised how many people will suffer


Like we talked about, perfect for Gesink, to bad he's now injured...


He wants to go for a stage win but I doubt you can turn around from being the 60th best climber in the Tour to a stage-win in the Alps.

Although ofcourse, Pereiro won the Tour after being 30 minutes behind Pfft
Edited by ruben on 18-07-2011 14:49
 
Martin_TB
ruben wrote:
Thursday is rather an underrated stage Isso. Because anotjher factor comes into play: altitude

Aobve 2000m people will suddenly go crap, so even if the climb isn't hard, you'll be suprised how many people will suffer


Hmm, so what you are saying is that this will be a good test for all the debut riders?

Tejay van Garderen, Rigoberto Uran - who else is a future GC contender that needs to see how well they can cope with high altitude?

Edit: Tejay did say that he might be able to go for a break - it depends on Peter Velits and whether he is still in contention for a top 10
Edited by Martin_TB on 18-07-2011 14:54
 
BouBBox
Martin_TB wrote:
Garderen, Rigoberto Uran - who else is a future GC contender that needs to see how well they can cope with high altitude?


Rolland and Jeanesson Grin
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SportingNonsense
Voeckler Pfft
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ruben
Martin_TB wrote:
ruben wrote:
Thursday is rather an underrated stage Isso. Because anotjher factor comes into play: altitude

Aobve 2000m people will suddenly go crap, so even if the climb isn't hard, you'll be suprised how many people will suffer


Hmm, so what you are saying is that this will be a good test for all the debut riders?

Tejay van Garderen, Rigoberto Uran - who else is a future GC contender that needs to see how well they can cope with high altitude?

Edit: Tejay did say that he might be able to go for a break - it depends on Peter Velits and whether he is still in contention for a top 10


No not only debut riders.
Also well experienced riders. For example Vino (too bad he's out) was a good climber, until they went over 2000m, then he turned into a non-climber.
There are many riders, even in the current top 10, like that.
I can imagine Voeckler suffering, and Evans is also a very good example. It will be interesting to see how they cope with their weakness.

From Basso (and Gesink, but he's not playing a role now), it's known they get better at high altitude
 
Martin_TB
Ahh OK

Voekler not being good at high altitude has been discussed on Eurosport - Sean Kelly thinks he's lose yellow on Wedsnesday or Thursday depending on how hard he fights and whether anyone attacks or not.

Has Cavendish been over such high passes?

I know that some are thinking he might miss the time on Friday, but that's cos the stage is so short with such a tiny allowance, but it seems to me that he might have more issues on Thursday with 3 massive climbs, the first being @ half way.
 
mat4404
ruben wrote:
hillis91 wrote:
ruben wrote:
Thursday is rather an underrated stage Isso. Because anotjher factor comes into play: altitude

Aobve 2000m people will suddenly go crap, so even if the climb isn't hard, you'll be suprised how many people will suffer


Like we talked about, perfect for Gesink, to bad he's now injured...


He wants to go for a stage win but I doubt you can turn around from being the 60th best climber in the Tour to a stage-win in the Alps.
Pfft


But to be fair to him, he did say that when he got dropped on the Luz Ardiden stage, he decided to take it easy and not keep in contact with the group if it required effort. Not saying he was at a good fitness level, but I'm sure he could've ridden harder on Saturday's stage. Plus, 5 days break, who knows....Maybe I'm clutching at straws!
 
BeamMeUp
I don´t think that Voeckler will lose yellow Tuesday or Wednesday. The GC contenders didn´t really attack in the Pyrenees, why should they attack at these hills.
Thursday and Friday will be hard races with many riders, who needs to gain time before the final TT like Basso, the Schlecks, Sanchez and maybe Contador. I think it´s very unlikely that these stages are dissapointments again.
It will be very intersting how Voeckler reacts, i´m pretty sure that he will be top 10 in the end. If he´s as good as last stages maybe a Top 5 position. I´m really hoping for him.
 
I_Mayo
If Samu can gain some time on next two stages, than I'm pretty confident about the podium, because you need to remember two Vuelta ITTs, what were at the end of 3rd week, where Samu finished 1st in 2007 and 2nd in 2009. And of course the profile of Grenoble ITT fits him very well (much better than last years windy and dead flat ITT).
 
Aquarius
ruben wrote:
Thursday is rather an underrated stage Isso. Because anotjher factor comes into play: altitude

Aobve 2000m people will suddenly go crap, so even if the climb isn't hard, you'll be suprised how many people will suffer
I'm certainly nothing more than a random tourist, and I had become crap at cycling in 2006, but, to be honest, I didn't feel any difference between 1500 m or 2500 m (when I did the Galibier), as far as breathing was concerned.
I know we're talking about pro riders here, and that little details for them may cause an important difference, but still...
 
ruben
Aquarius wrote:
ruben wrote:
Thursday is rather an underrated stage Isso. Because anotjher factor comes into play: altitude

Aobve 2000m people will suddenly go crap, so even if the climb isn't hard, you'll be suprised how many people will suffer
I'm certainly nothing more than a random tourist, and I had become crap at cycling in 2006, but, to be honest, I didn't feel any difference between 1500 m or 2500 m (when I did the Galibier), as far as breathing was concerned.
I know we're talking about pro riders here, and that little details for them may cause an important difference, but still...


I'm a more than crap tourist and probably far worse than you. But I notice I actually become better than some friends of mine at altitude. While they normally own me at every long climb there is. (not that hard since i suck, but still)

They always do say it's a difference.
But maybe nowadays, where nearly every contendor goes on altitude training, the difference maybe isn't that big
 
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