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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 14-07-2011 19:21
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Guido Mukk wrote:
E_Hagen wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
you can not update stats after any tour stage..or after any season race stage. Cycling is not just black and white
"He beat Contador in top form with 1 minute by attacking from him in a mountain stage, but because it is the long term performances that matter he should be kept at 55 MO"
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no comment..
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 14-07-2011 19:22
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E_Hagen wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
E_Hagen wrote:
This is not related to ANY db, it is just a general discussion of what people think a rider deserves as his stats.
But stats are very much database specific, so its kind of pointless.
This is a thread where people can say their individual opinion about rider stats and this thread has no relation to any DB and is not intended to have.
You unsurprisingly miss the point.
Stats are DB specific, because ultimately the stats a rider deserves depends upon what other riders have got.
You might say that Galimzyanov deserves 82 Sprint on his performances - which may well be accurate in a database where Cavendish has 84/85 sprint - but is completely out if a DB has Cavendish as 82 or lower.
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| E_Hagen |
Posted on 14-07-2011 19:24
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SportingNonsense wrote:
E_Hagen wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
E_Hagen wrote:
This is not related to ANY db, it is just a general discussion of what people think a rider deserves as his stats.
But stats are very much database specific, so its kind of pointless.
This is a thread where people can say their individual opinion about rider stats and this thread has no relation to any DB and is not intended to have.
You unsurprisingly miss the point.
Stats are DB specific, because ultimately the stats a rider deserves depends upon what other riders have got.
You might say that Galimzyanov deserves 82 Sprint on his performances - which may well be accurate in a database where Cavendish has 84/85 sprint - but is completely out if a DB has Cavendish as 82 or lower.
Let us say that THE best climber, sprinter, and so on is 85. That should be a rule of thumb. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 14-07-2011 19:29
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E_Hagen wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
E_Hagen wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
E_Hagen wrote:
This is not related to ANY db, it is just a general discussion of what people think a rider deserves as his stats.
But stats are very much database specific, so its kind of pointless.
This is a thread where people can say their individual opinion about rider stats and this thread has no relation to any DB and is not intended to have.
You unsurprisingly miss the point.
Stats are DB specific, because ultimately the stats a rider deserves depends upon what other riders have got.
You might say that Galimzyanov deserves 82 Sprint on his performances - which may well be accurate in a database where Cavendish has 84/85 sprint - but is completely out if a DB has Cavendish as 82 or lower.
Let us say that THE best climber, sprinter, and so on is 85. That should be a rule of thumb.
You still dont get it.......
What if in one db Schleck is the best climber, but in another Contador is. Stat discussions must be db specific.
If Danielson has 79 in one db and 73 in another, then in this thread you say Danielson needs a raise, Danielson probably gets a stat much better than he deserves in one db, while in the other it might now be perfect.
Also how many other communities come on PCM.Daily to see what the stat discussions are, and see who would need a raise. This is why I think it should be specific to the Daily db, of course there probably isn't any use for this thread until after they release their db anyway.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 14-07-2011 19:31
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When PCM.Daily DB is out, there can be thread like that. No point doing it now as we don't know what DB stats you are using. I know you not using any DB in particular, that's why this thread is pointless.
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| E_Hagen |
Posted on 14-07-2011 19:32
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valverde321 wrote:
E_Hagen wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
E_Hagen wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
E_Hagen wrote:
This is not related to ANY db, it is just a general discussion of what people think a rider deserves as his stats.
But stats are very much database specific, so its kind of pointless.
This is a thread where people can say their individual opinion about rider stats and this thread has no relation to any DB and is not intended to have.
You unsurprisingly miss the point.
Stats are DB specific, because ultimately the stats a rider deserves depends upon what other riders have got.
You might say that Galimzyanov deserves 82 Sprint on his performances - which may well be accurate in a database where Cavendish has 84/85 sprint - but is completely out if a DB has Cavendish as 82 or lower.
Let us say that THE best climber, sprinter, and so on is 85. That should be a rule of thumb.
You still dont get it.......
What if in one db Schleck is the best climber, but in another Contador is. Stat discussions must be db specific.
If Danielson has 79 in one db and 73 in another, then in this thread you say Danielson needs a raise, Danielson probably gets a stat much better than he deserves in one db, while in the other it might now be perfect.
Also how many other communities come on PCM.Daily to see what the stat discussions are, and see who would need a raise. This is why I think it should be specific to the Daily db, of course there probably isn't any use for this thread until after they release their db anyway.
You still don't get it..... The point is that people can say like, Danielson is a good climber, he should have at least 75-76 MO.
As I said, a rule of thumb should be that the best rider should have 85. |
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| dannyboy |
Posted on 14-07-2011 19:33
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 14-07-2011 19:33
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E_Hagen wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
E_Hagen wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
E_Hagen wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
E_Hagen wrote:
This is not related to ANY db, it is just a general discussion of what people think a rider deserves as his stats.
But stats are very much database specific, so its kind of pointless.
This is a thread where people can say their individual opinion about rider stats and this thread has no relation to any DB and is not intended to have.
You unsurprisingly miss the point.
Stats are DB specific, because ultimately the stats a rider deserves depends upon what other riders have got.
You might say that Galimzyanov deserves 82 Sprint on his performances - which may well be accurate in a database where Cavendish has 84/85 sprint - but is completely out if a DB has Cavendish as 82 or lower.
Let us say that THE best climber, sprinter, and so on is 85. That should be a rule of thumb.
You still dont get it.......
What if in one db Schleck is the best climber, but in another Contador is. Stat discussions must be db specific.
If Danielson has 79 in one db and 73 in another, then in this thread you say Danielson needs a raise, Danielson probably gets a stat much better than he deserves in one db, while in the other it might now be perfect.
Also how many other communities come on PCM.Daily to see what the stat discussions are, and see who would need a raise. This is why I think it should be specific to the Daily db, of course there probably isn't any use for this thread until after they release their db anyway.
You still don't get it..... The point is that people can say like, Danielson is a good climber, he should have at least 75-76 MO.
As I said, a rule of thumb should be that the best rider should have 85.
SportngNonsense does get it...
Edited by jseadog1 on 14-07-2011 19:34
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| E_Hagen |
Posted on 14-07-2011 19:34
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For those of you who are able to read Norwegian take a look at this thread:
https://pcmnorge.n...diskusjon/
Exactly the same as this thread. Example post: (stats from 2008, though)
Does someone know how the sprint stats should be set?
Is this OK or not?
Cavendish: 82 sp 83 i acc
Freire: 81 sp 84 acc
Bennati: 81 sp 80 acc
Boonen: 81 sp 79
Hushovd: 80 sp 78 acc
Ciolek: 80 sp 81 acc
Zabel: 79 sp 75 acc
Edited by E_Hagen on 14-07-2011 19:35
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| Lachi |
Posted on 14-07-2011 20:04
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E_Hagen wrote:
For those of you who are able to read Norwegian take a look at this thread:
https://pcmnorge.n...diskusjon/
Exactly the same as this thread. Example post: (stats from 2008, though)
Does someone know how the sprint stats should be set?
Is this OK or not?
Cavendish: 82 sp 83 i acc
Freire: 81 sp 84 acc
Bennati: 81 sp 80 acc
Boonen: 81 sp 79
Hushovd: 80 sp 78 acc
Ciolek: 80 sp 81 acc
Zabel: 79 sp 75 acc
You wrote that the rule of thumb is that the best sprinter should have 85, but in the post you quoted it is not like that.
Is there a reason for it?
To all:
It is not really needed to discuss the need of this thread, either discuss the stats or leave this thread alone.
If you really need, then we could create a new thread about the importance of stats discussions.
Edited by Lachi on 14-07-2011 20:04
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| Deda |
Posted on 14-07-2011 20:23
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I'm readily willing to discuss the logic behind the opinion that the best rider in the specific field should have 85 (Schleck or Contador 85MO, or Cavendish 85SP).
I find that it's totally wrong. It leaves no space for improvement, however unlikely, and leaves no space for someone to be better than them in like next 6-8 years.
Unless you want to spend ridiculous amounts of time redoing your database in an editor every couple of months(in-game).
But whatever rocks your boat.
If offense is the best defence, does it mean that defence is the worst defence?
If I should die before I wake, I pray the Lord will delete my browser history.
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| E_Hagen |
Posted on 16-07-2011 13:02
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Yohann Gene should, IMO have a higher MO that 57. He was at the front of the peloton taking relays until the Tourmalet, until fell in the descent. The peloton got really thinned out, as you can remember.
He has been at the front over the 2 climbs so far today and lots of riders have fallen off the back. Maybe 68 or maybe 70 could be appropriate?
Edited by E_Hagen on 16-07-2011 13:03
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| kwkke10 |
Posted on 16-07-2011 21:22
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I think Vanendert his CL stat should be atleast 76
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| sprintman |
Posted on 16-07-2011 23:08
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After this performances by rolland and voeckler , what should be them stats ?
Edited by sprintman on 16-07-2011 23:11
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| breezer |
Posted on 16-07-2011 23:17
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this thread is pointless, as long as you dont have anything to refer to.
i know you say lets say the best has 85stats.
But what/who determines who IS THE BEST?
So thread pointless indeed |
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| kwkke10 |
Posted on 17-07-2011 01:49
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breezer wrote:
this thread is pointless, as long as you dont have anything to refer to.
i know you say lets say the best has 85stats.
But what/who determines who IS THE BEST?
So thread pointless indeed
you can watch the big tours, and the classics.
If someone wins the 3 Ardennen classics, he should have 85, who is 2nd 3times should have 84 or 83 ( depending on the differences) etc
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| Butters76 |
Posted on 17-07-2011 12:27
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Hushovd need a small boost in hills and mountain. He has been working on that the last 2 years, In the game he has 63 mountain and 67 Hill.
Should be boosted to M67-68, H69-70 I think. |
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