superider2010 wrote:
let's be real
if cactus jack don't want doppers to have second chance
then why he don't scream at danilo di luca?he is a fresh returned doper
ricco it's the most stupid doper
armstrong the most doped rider(in 1999 a urine test show he was doped,ulrich doped 2 times and still couldn't beat armstrong)
but cactus jack it's just anti-contador
and to keep this note
i know contador it's sometimes doped,but andy schleck was the equal of contador on TdF 2010 montains
contador it's strong even when he don't dope,but to win TdF2010 being doped,that means andy schleck it's not innocent
you put both riders in the same problem
He never said he had anything against Contador, so what are you trying to accomplish?
And while that theory that if Andy can follow Conta means Andy is doped too is highly possible its still a bit of an assumption, based purely on results.
i write about you just 2 lines.it is imposible to insult in right,left,center(or other positions) LOL
? I'm pretty sure thats the worst insult/joke I've ever heard, and I've heard myself talk before.
if cactus jack don't want doppers to have second chance
then why he don't scream at danilo di luca?he is a fresh returned doper
Take a look at the title of the topic.
A bunch of words along with a weak AK47 joke.
I'm really not sure what you're trying to prove, with this, but its really pissed me off for some reason, and to share my view I think Conta should get 2 years.
Edited by valverde321 on 16-05-2011 04:34
It doesn't make sense. If Ulrich can't beat armstrong and he doped then Armstrong must have doped. Same thing with Andy it doesn't
Make sense. That being said Contador should be treated like everyone else. I don't want him going free because it would damage the sport, but I also don't want him to be treated unjustly because he has preformed well in the past and now. Wether that be because of meat should be up to Wada and UCI. I'm pretty neutral in this matter and I need hard evidence but also need a fair and justified punishment.
Like Sam1196 I think that 2 year ban, no matter how small the amount. Then riders who have doped should only be allowed back into the peleton when the show genuine change e.g David Millar. If a previously doped rider is caught again, lifetime ban. That's my opinion though.
Life ban on first serious offence too.
I admit you can be caught positive if you breathed ventoline once too much, or didn't check your meat as much as you should have, but I have to say that it doesn't change your performances (thus the race result) that much.
Though, when it's EPO, HGH, or blood transfusion, that can hardly be the result of some kind of negligence.
Okey, from what I could understand from what you wrote you accuse me of simply being against Contador and not caring about other former dopers. There are several key areas where you are way out of line.
First of all; This is a thread about Alberto Contador. It is not a thread about Di Luca, nor is it a thread about Armstrong, Ullrich or someone else for that matter. The other riders have no relevance here, you might aswell start talking about the weather.
Secondly; how come you insinuate that I have been defending riders such as Ullrich and Di Luca? Where are your facts to support this clame? I dare you to show me a single post on this forum where I have even vaguely defended a former doper. Since you mention it, I am not happy at all about Di Luca participating in the Giro, but when in Rome...
Finally; I feel that Armstrong is a heated debate since it's not exactly a clear cut case so I will refrain from mentioning him. However, your argument about Schleck being doped just because he was Contadors equal is just idiotic. That's the same as saying that if I took dope and tried riding against Gilbert he would still beat me, but then he would have had to have been doped. I know my argument here is a bit strecthed, but you catch my drift.
Also; if you are going to come on this forum and start throwing insults left, right and centre, atleast do it with some class instead of just randomly picking topics that have nothing to do with the subject. You are waisting everyones time.
i write about you just 2 lines.it is imposible to insult in right,left,center(or other positions) LOL
if cactus jack don't want doppers to have second chance
then why he don't scream at danilo di luca?he is a fresh returned doper
but cactus jack it's just anti-contador
i wrote something and you understand just 2 words and rest it's your fantasy(something total untrue)
my argument in your opinion it's idiotic(that's an insult)
armstrong weren't caught,but the top 10 tour du france from 1999 to 2005 were caught(dopers).so my opinion it's based on the past facts
armstrong "the clean rider" in battle with pantanni and ulrich(2 monsters climbers who were doped) on TdF2000 Mount Ventoux https://www.youtub...XPXHK7I1iQ
armstrong sprinted on ventoux almost 60 seconds,no stoping and he had a big speed
an a good example was TdF2007,when rasmussen coulded win TdF
see the battle rasmussen-contador https://www.youtub...WOhvPcgo50
rasmussen were sacked(he didn't make the test anti doping in spring and he were to suspicios being doped) by his team rabobank,not UCI or officials TdF(if UCI taked the case,rabobank would had 1 year verry bad) ,but if you looked at contador(zone suspicious for me),he attacked in that stage many times and were strong attacks.in that moment all people thinked just rasmussen were doped,but in time lots of secrets are revealed
so in time we can discover if andy was clean or not
but i remain at my ironical opinion,contador it's innocent like andy or andy it's innocent like contador
TdF2010 contador winned on time trial,not montains.he was doped on TdF and couldn't beat andy on montains and you still think andy it's clean and you don't have any suspicion about andy
why?because andy it's your favorite rider?
and you say i'm offtopic in your thread because i don't agree with you and i don't put contador's name in mud like you?
i'm on the side "spectaculous attacks,stages,tours"
i'm crying because you are even anti-me( the most funny guy you ever met)
you shoulded be my fan,now i'm so unhappy,i will kill contador for you
i forgot to praise my self
me+AK47=(not love but )rambo 1,2,3,4,5
Let me just start of by saying that I didn't really understand half of that gibberish. Nonetheless, I will try to answer you to the best of my knowledge.
I believe that everyone is innocent untill proven guilty. If someone has been proven to be a cheater, then he/she should recieve a lifetime ban. You can't start by saying that Andy must be doped because he followed Contador (who hasn't been proven guilty yet). Since you come to me asking ridiculous rethorical questions then I will do the same to you; How do you know that Contador and Andy is 100% equal to begin with? Lets assume that Andy can follow a doped Contador. How do you know that Andy isn't just better then a clean Contador?
Besides, wether or not you are off topic is not up for debate, this thread is about Contador and Contador alone. If you wan't to discuss any other rider, then create a thread that is relevant.
Last, but not least; grow up, calm down and take english lessons.
im really tired of read stupid comments about contador, he is NOT guilty, he didnt get any advantage for that "shitty" amount of clembuterol, and that comments about " rest of plastics in blood" are false. His brother said that he didnt get any advertisement about that plastics so its false.
Although he was in the list of the uci about the dope cyclist, he has 5 points of 10, so they really accept that he is free of being doped.
I will tell you all what is happening here: mostly of you hate him because he is actually the best, seems like when we have a spanish winner nobody likes him, and they are trying to get him down because he is the best cyclist right now and you have the prove in the giro, last day, that was amazing, even if they are controlling him all the days he is still the best. So all of you haters keep hating him because he is not your favourite cyclist but he will keep winning. ( sorry because my english sucks but im tired of read dumb ass comments, damm jelaous people)
Edited by GILA_JR on 16-05-2011 13:34
GILA_JR wrote:
im really tired of read stupid comments about contador, he is NOT guilty, he didnt get any advantage for that "shitty" amount of clembuterol, and that comments about " rest of plastics in blood" are false. His brother said that he didnt get any advertisement about that plastics so its false.
Although he was in the list of the uci about the dope cyclist, he has 5 points of 10, so they really accept that he is free of being doped.
I will tell you all what is happening here: mostly of you hate him because he is actually the best, seems like when we have a spanish winner nobody likes him, and they are trying to get him down because he is the best cyclist right now and you have the prove in the giro, last day, that was amazing, even if they are controlling him all the days he is still the best. So all of you haters keep hating him because he is not your favourite cyclist but he will keep winning. ( sorry because my english sucks but im tired of read dumb ass comments, damm jelaous people)
Of course, now it makes perfect sense. Contador is innocent.
GILA_JR wrote:
im really tired of read stupid comments about contador, he is NOT guilty, he didnt get any advantage for that "shitty" amount of clembuterol, and that comments about " rest of plastics in blood" are false. His brother said that he didnt get any advertisement about that plastics so its false.
Although he was in the list of the uci about the dope cyclist, he has 5 points of 10, so they really accept that he is free of being doped.
I will tell you all what is happening here: mostly of you hate him because he is actually the best, seems like when we have a spanish winner nobody likes him, and they are trying to get him down because he is the best cyclist right now and you have the prove in the giro, last day, that was amazing, even if they are controlling him all the days he is still the best. So all of you haters keep hating him because he is not your favourite cyclist but he will keep winning. ( sorry because my english sucks but im tired of read dumb ass comments, damm jelaous people)
It doesnt exactly help that the rider is from a country which clearly has the view that doping is ok as long as you dont get caught.
If a high-profile Norwegian athlete would get caught using doping, they would not only be banned from the sport, but probably also be hated if not banned from the country of Norway.
countrys like spain, italy, russia etc, seem to accept doping, and defend those who get caught.. insane in my opinion.
They have this great beer here in England, I really love it. Its called Pint.
GILA_JR wrote:
im really tired of read stupid comments about contador, he is NOT guilty, he didnt get any advantage for that "shitty" amount of clembuterol, and that comments about " rest of plastics in blood" are false. His brother said that he didnt get any advertisement about that plastics so its false.
Although he was in the list of the uci about the dope cyclist, he has 5 points of 10, so they really accept that he is free of being doped.
I will tell you all what is happening here: mostly of you hate him because he is actually the best, seems like when we have a spanish winner nobody likes him, and they are trying to get him down because he is the best cyclist right now and you have the prove in the giro, last day, that was amazing, even if they are controlling him all the days he is still the best. So all of you haters keep hating him because he is not your favourite cyclist but he will keep winning. ( sorry because my english sucks but im tired of read dumb ass comments, damm jelaous people)
It doesnt exactly help that the rider is from a country which clearly has the view that doping is ok as long as you dont get caught.
If a high-profile Norwegian athlete would get caught using doping, they would not only be banned from the sport, but probably also be hated if not banned from the country of Norway.
countrys like spain, italy, russia etc, seem to accept doping, and defend those who get caught.. insane in my opinion.
yes we all accept dopping except your country, could you tell me which one is? hahaah
Snuble wrote:
If a high-profile Norwegian athlete would get caught using doping, they would not only be banned from the sport, but probably also be hated if not banned from the country of Norway.
GILA_JR wrote:
im really tired of read stupid comments about contador, he is NOT guilty, he didnt get any advantage for that "shitty" amount of clembuterol, and that comments about " rest of plastics in blood" are false. His brother said that he didnt get any advertisement about that plastics so its false.
Although he was in the list of the uci about the dope cyclist, he has 5 points of 10, so they really accept that he is free of being doped.
I will tell you all what is happening here: mostly of you hate him because he is actually the best, seems like when we have a spanish winner nobody likes him, and they are trying to get him down because he is the best cyclist right now and you have the prove in the giro, last day, that was amazing, even if they are controlling him all the days he is still the best. So all of you haters keep hating him because he is not your favourite cyclist but he will keep winning. ( sorry because my english sucks but im tired of read dumb ass comments, damm jelaous people)
Of course, now it makes perfect sense. Contador is innocent.
what happens to you is that contador owned several times your idol Andy schleck, so keep doing jokes about what i said, but he got owned anyway, now ask your mother for a glass of hot milk and go to the bed.
Come on. Just respect that there are people with different opinions without becoming rude.
No one has to read this thread.
The poll already shows that there are lots of people around, who think he is innocent and people, who would like a 2 year ban.
No one will be able to change their opinions.
1. Andy Schleck is not my idol
2. I don't like hot milk
3. It's not time to go to bed (at least not for me, but maybe for you)
4. Come up with proper arguments. Or else people will make fun of you.
i respect that they could have different opinions but i hate to read false stuff about him, just because he is the best, thats all. I hope that all the dope cyclist would be banned even if he is spanish i dont care, but this case is not fair, he didnt get any advantage from the clembuterol. they are controlling him in the giro and just look what he did yesterday... what an amazing stage
1. Andy Schleck is not my idol
2. I don't like hot milk
3. It's not time to go to bed (at least not for me, but maybe for you)
4. Come up with proper arguments. Or else people will make fun of you.
Wait wait!!!----> OWNED haahahhaha
The clembuterol argument is enough for me, and should be enough for all, if you dont get any advantage whats the point of suspend him as a dope cyclist? its stupid. You just want to have your favourite cyclist in the same level that contador has, and he will be able to have the same level because andy is a great cyclist but he is not better that contador, thats all and accept it.
Edited by GILA_JR on 16-05-2011 14:06
GILA_JR wrote:
Although he was in the list of the uci about the dope cyclist, he has 5 points of 10, so they really accept that he is free of being doped.
Oh for fuck's sake. I'll ignore all your "you envy Clentie coz your haterz" mumbo jumbo, but that makes me wonder if you can read. If you can, then please read that again (not in Marca if possible) and you'll learn that 5 already makes you highly suspicious of blood doping. Only those with a friggin' 0 or 1 have a really clean passport. So no, having a 5 is nothing to be proud of if you're a Pistolero's fanboy.
Also, there's the fact that a "shitty" amount of clenbuterol is enough to get a ban, as it is not produced naturally by the body. So there's no threshold limit. 50 picograms=positive= 2 years ban unless AC can prove the clen got to his urine in a non-dpoing manner. So, if he can't, he'll be banned, just as Fuyu Li, Joisephine Onyia and many others.
Snuble wrote:
If a high-profile Norwegian athlete would get caught using doping, they would not only be banned from the sport, but probably also be hated if not banned from the country of Norway.
Never heard about Erik Tysse?
the reason I said "high-profile" athlete..
you can hardly say race-walkers are high-profile athletes..
Tysse used CERA, stupid ass (him, not you ), and its a shame, but I strongly believe that if an athlete like Hushovd, Bjørn Dæhlie, Lasse Kjus og Ole Gunnar Solskjær ever got caught using drugs, the entire country would feel a shamed. It doesnt exactly look like thats how they react in for example spain.. how many high-profile athletes havent been caught there?
They have this great beer here in England, I really love it. Its called Pint.
), and its a shame, but I strongly believe that if an athlete like Hushovd, Bjørn Dæhlie, Lasse Kjus og Ole Gunnar Solskjær ever got caught using drugs, the entire country would feel a shamed. It doesnt exactly look like thats how they react in for example spain.. how many high-profile athletes havent been caught there?
