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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 15-02-2011 21:59
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wont you just end up with the massive bugs of '10. how about a return to 06? |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 15-02-2011 22:03
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Smowz has been testing out man-game suitability of PCM10, and the feedback sounds good. The 1.0.4.1. version really doesnt seem so bad - bear in mind that AI vs AI gameplay is different to Human vs AI gameplay. Plus if PCM11 comes out and turns out to be good, then a mid-season switch would be a possibility.
Back to PCM06? Hell no. Its about the 5th most suitable version for the Management Game.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 15-02-2011 22:05
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i just assumed that seen as 06's gameplay is best in general it might work for mangame but obviously not. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 15-02-2011 22:08
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The gameplay argument is objective, but in pretty much every single other aspect, the game has definately moved on for the better - particularly on the editing side of things.
The Man-Game has moved on from PCM06. Its not possible to return, and I dont want to - If i wanted that, we would never have left PCM06.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 15-02-2011 22:09
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
i just assumed that seen as 06's gameplay is best in general it might work for mangame but obviously not.
I don't think the gameplay is better than 09 or 10, and while switching to 10 means all the stages have to be remade, the format should be the same for a while, so it might as well be done now.
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 15-02-2011 22:10
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SportingNonsense wrote:
The gameplay argument is objective, but in pretty much every single other aspect, the game has definately moved on for the better - particularly on the editing side of things.
The Man-Game has moved on from PCM06. Its not possible to return, and I dont want to - If i wanted that, we would never have left PCM06.
fair enough, i was just asking, mostly about the feasibility of '10 |
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| Smowz |
Posted on 15-02-2011 22:16
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wacko or anyone else - can you give me the specific examples of the 'massive bugs' of pcm 2010?
From my experiences of playtesting Man Game scenerios in pcm 2010 so far I have seen
- better results and more believable action in the cobbled races
- better more believable action in the Ardennes
- far better sprints (contrary to my previous statements - which indicate that it is difficult for a player to execute good sprints).
- Less frenetic attack after attacks in mountain stages.
and don't get me started about the shere library of stage races already available for pcm 2010.
Hey I am the Spanish prime minister here - pcm 2010 is in the clear damn it!
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 15-02-2011 22:23
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my knowledge is purely hearsay - hence why i asked rather than imposing. but there have been some massive complaints about the bugs. |
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 15-02-2011 22:28
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 15-02-2011 23:29
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Citing this as another example as why I refuse to continue the ManGame in PCM09 next season.
Id be annoyed, but I expected a fail such as this
And yet Luke Rowe's running with sprints that he participates in have generally been ok. Sure there are the occasional bad positioned ones and non-sprint ones, but he's pretty much been fine. Maybe the game just doesn't like your Brits. |
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| Kami |
Posted on 16-02-2011 08:33
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The main issue i have with PCM '10 is the attacking in mountain or hilly stages. The peleton keeps making a higher pace then the attackers, by riders who shouldn't be able to and on moments where they already should have been long gone.
@Smowz: The actions might be better, but in most of the times i raced the Ardennes, the favorites attack and all get caught back and then the one with the best position is most likely to win in the sprint.
All by all, i don't really care that much though, but from my experience, PCM '10 still is buggier (even in sprinting) then PCM '09.
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| fenian_1234 |
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Smowz wrote:- better more believable action in the Ardennes
My main issue is this - the favourites generally don't get a gap when they attack in the closing stages and are brought back. Too many hilly stages end with the lead group being 75 riders +.
Also, as Kami says a lot of attacks just don't go anywhere on the flat - though this may be something that mainly affects the player.
Mountain stages as well I'm not a huge fan of - they're pretty generic. Reasonably strong riders attack, weaker riders chase them down, stronger riders attack, weaker riders chase them down and then finally the favourites get away with a few kilometers left - which is sometimes realistic. Seems to happen every mountain stage I've played though which I don't like. |
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| Smowz |
Posted on 16-02-2011 10:21
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Okay I will share some results of my pcm10 test with you:
Amstal Gold:
Fantastic tactical race - we had about 75 ish riders with about 30km to go, it then had some good attacks, to end with a two up sprint up the Cauberg.
Spoiler Rank Name Team Time
1 Philippe Gilbert Omega Pharma - Lotto 6h24'44
2 Damiano Cunego Lampre - Farnese Vini s.t.
3 Samuel Sánchez Euskaltel - Euskadi + 1'02
4 Alexandr Kolobnev Team Katusha s.t.
5 Cadel Evans BMC Racing Team + 1'10
6 Kim Kirchen Team Katusha s.t.
7 Stijn Devolder Quick·Step + 1'18
8 Simon Gerrans Sky Professional Cycling Team s.t.
9 Ivan Basso Liquigas - Doimo s.t.
10 Andreas Klöden Team RadioShack + 1'26
11 JoaquÃm RodrÃguez Team Katusha s.t.
12 Rinaldo Nocentini AG2R La Mondiale s.t.
13 Tony Martin Team HTC - Columbia s.t.
14 Sergueï Ivanov Team Katusha + 1'34
15 Igor Antón Euskaltel - Euskadi s.t.
16 Bradley Wiggins Sky Professional Cycling Team s.t.
17 Michael Albasini Team HTC - Columbia s.t.
18 Jérôme Pineau Quick·Step + 1'42
19 George Hincapie BMC Racing Team s.t.
20 Sérgio Paulinho Team RadioShack s.t.
21 Alessandro Ballan BMC Racing Team s.t.
22 Aitor Galdos Euskaltel - Euskadi s.t.
23 Grega Bole Lampre - Farnese Vini + 1'50
24 Filippo Pozzato Team Katusha s.t.
25 Alberto Contador Astana s.t.
26 Maxim Iglinskiy Astana + 1'58
27 Gilberto Simoni Lampre - Farnese Vini s.t.
28 Juan José Cobo Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
29 Alexandre Vinokourov Astana + 2'06
30 Jurgen Van den Broeck Omega Pharma - Lotto + 2'54
31 Jean-Christophe Peraud Omega Pharma - Lotto + 3'02
32 Carlos Barredo Quick·Step + 4'38
33 Edvald Boasson Hagen Sky Professional Cycling Team + 4'46
34 Vladimir Karpets Team Katusha s.t.
35 Vladimir Efimkin AG2R La Mondiale s.t.
36 Thomas Löfkvist Sky Professional Cycling Team + 4'54
37 Alexandre Botcharov Team Katusha s.t.
38 Paolo Tiralongo Astana + 5'10
39 Andriy Grivko Astana + 5'18
40 David De la Fuente Astana s.t.
41 Sebastian Langeveld Rabobank + 5'26
42 Daniele Pietropolli Lampre - Farnese Vini s.t.
43 Leif Hoste Omega Pharma - Lotto + 5'58
44 Kanstantsin Siutsou Team HTC - Columbia + 6'30
45 Lorenzo Bernucci Lampre - Farnese Vini + 6'38
46 Peter Sagan Liquigas - Doimo + 6'46
47 Fabian Wegmann Team Milram + 7'26
48 Greg Van Avermaet Omega Pharma - Lotto + 7'34
49 Francesco Gavazzi Lampre - Farnese Vini s.t.
50 Jens Voigt Team Saxo Bank s.t.
Fleche Walloone:
50 or so riders left - on penultimate hill two riders got a small gap and battled up the Huy! Vino managed to bridge, but not quite to Sammy Sanchez.
Spoiler 1 Samuel Sánchez Euskaltel - Euskadi 4h58'20
2 Alexandre Vinokourov Astana s.t.
3 Damiano Cunego Lampre - Farnese Vini s.t.
4 Cadel Evans BMC Racing Team + 19
5 JoaquÃm RodrÃguez Team Katusha s.t.
6 Jurgen Van den Broeck Omega Pharma - Lotto s.t.
7 Michael Albasini Team HTC - Columbia s.t.
8 Juan José Cobo Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
9 Kim Kirchen Team Katusha s.t.
10 Ivan Basso Liquigas - Doimo s.t.
11 Vasil Kiryienka Caisse d'Epargne + 39
12 Maxime Monfort Team HTC - Columbia s.t.
13 Philippe Gilbert Omega Pharma - Lotto s.t.
14 Yaroslav Popovych Team RadioShack s.t.
15 Vladimir Efimkin AG2R La Mondiale s.t.
16 Mario Aerts Omega Pharma - Lotto s.t.
17 Jean-Christophe Peraud Omega Pharma - Lotto s.t.
18 Gilberto Simoni Lampre - Farnese Vini s.t.
19 Levi Leipheimer Team RadioShack s.t.
20 Daniele Pietropolli Lampre - Farnese Vini s.t.
21 Sergueï Ivanov Team Katusha s.t.
22 Vladimir Karpets Team Katusha s.t.
23 Jan Bakelandts Omega Pharma - Lotto s.t.
24 Jens Voigt Team Saxo Bank s.t.
25 Christian Vande Velde Garmin - Transitions s.t.
26 Ryder Hesjedal Garmin - Transitions s.t.
27 Thomas Löfkvist Sky Professional Cycling Team s.t.
28 Rinaldo Nocentini AG2R La Mondiale s.t.
29 Jelle Vanendert Omega Pharma - Lotto s.t.
30 Alexandr Kolobnev Team Katusha s.t.
31 Andriy Grivko Astana s.t.
32 Robert Kiserlovski Liquigas - Doimo s.t.
33 Christophe Brandt Omega Pharma - Lotto s.t.
34 Stefan Denifl Cervélo Test Team s.t.
35 Paolo Tiralongo Astana s.t.
36 Simon Gerrans Sky Professional Cycling Team s.t.
37 Sandy Casar Française des Jeux s.t.
38 Enrico Gasparotto Astana s.t.
39 Giampaolo Caruso Team Katusha s.t.
40 Kanstantsin Siutsou Team HTC - Columbia s.t.
41 Dario Cataldo Quick·Step s.t.
42 Christophe Le Mével Française des Jeux s.t.
43 Carlos Barredo Quick·Step s.t.
44 Marco Marzano Lampre - Farnese Vini s.t.
45 Kevin Seeldraeyers Quick·Step s.t.
46 Florian Stalder BMC Racing Team s.t.
47 Philip Deignan Cervélo Test Team s.t.
48 Maxim Iglinskiy Astana s.t.
49 Aitor Galdos Euskaltel - Euskadi s.t.
50 Christian Knees Team Milram s.t.
51 Matthias Frank BMC Racing Team s.t.
52 Tejay Van Garderen Team HTC - Columbia s.t.
53 David De la Fuente Astana s.t.
54 Sylwester Szmyd Liquigas - Doimo + 2'51
55 Rigoberto Urán Caisse d'Epargne s.t
LBL:
Schleck and Cunego got away on the Saint Nicholas - with a pretty thrilling chase by Astana to the end Schleck edges the little prince in the sprint.
Spoiler Rank Name Team Time
1 Fränk Schleck Team Saxo Bank 7h11'41
2 Damiano Cunego Lampre - Farnese Vini + 9
3 Alberto Contador Astana + 20
4 Alexandre Vinokourov Astana s.t.
5 Philippe Gilbert Omega Pharma - Lotto s.t.
6 Kim Kirchen Team Katusha s.t.
7 Carlos Barredo Quick·Step s.t.
8 Cadel Evans BMC Racing Team s.t.
9 Jens Voigt Team Saxo Bank s.t.
10 Alexandr Kolobnev Team Katusha s.t.
11 JoaquÃm RodrÃguez Team Katusha + 1'01
12 Nicolas Roche AG2R La Mondiale s.t.
13 Gilberto Simoni Lampre - Farnese Vini + 2'53
14 Sergueï Ivanov Team Katusha s.t.
15 Christophe Le Mével Française des Jeux + 3'01
16 Jelle Vanendert Omega Pharma - Lotto s.t.
17 Linus Gerdemann Team Milram + 3'17
18 Christian Vande Velde Garmin - Transitions + 3'41
19 Fredrik Kessiakoff Garmin - Transitions + 3'49
20 Juan José Cobo Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
21 Sérgio Paulinho Team RadioShack s.t.
22 Andreas Klöden Team RadioShack s.t.
23 Rein Taaramäe Cofidis, le crédit en ligne s.t.
24 Michael Albasini Team HTC - Columbia + 3'57
25 Simon Gerrans Sky Professional Cycling Team s.t.
26 David Millar Garmin - Transitions s.t.
27 Rigoberto Urán Caisse d'Epargne + 4'05
28 Kevin Seeldraeyers Quick·Step s.t.
29 Christophe Moreau Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
30 Paul Martens Rabobank s.t.
31 Jérôme Pineau Quick·Step s.t.
32 Michael Rogers Team HTC - Columbia s.t.
33 Fabian Wegmann Team Milram s.t.
34 Thomas Löfkvist Sky Professional Cycling Team s.t.
35 Christian Knees Team Milram s.t.
36 Sandy Casar Française des Jeux s.t.
37 Simon Spilak Lampre - Farnese Vini s.t.
38 Vladimir Efimkin AG2R La Mondiale + 4'13
39 Tiago Machado Team RadioShack s.t.
40 Robert Kiserlovski Liquigas - Doimo s.t.
41 Dario Cataldo Quick·Step s.t.
42 Tom Danielson Garmin - Transitions + 4'21
43 John Gadret AG2R La Mondiale s.t.
44 Paolo Tiralongo Astana s.t.
45 Alexandre Botcharov Team Katusha s.t.
46 Giampaolo Caruso Team Katusha + 4'29
47 Jan Bakelandts Omega Pharma - Lotto s.t.
48 Richie Porte Team Saxo Bank s.t.
49 Daniel Moreno Omega Pharma - Lotto + 4'37
50 Gustav Erik Larsson Team Saxo Bank s.t.
I really see no problem with those sorts of results and from what I saw the racing was far better - it was similar with cobbled stages.
I used a more 'continental line up with SN's Tour of Japan, here are some of the early stage results:
Stage 1: A very short 2.5km prologue
Spoiler Rank Name Team Time
1 Taylor Phinney Trek Livestrong U23 3'27
2 Dirk Müller Team Nutrixxion Sparkasse + 1
3 Jetse Bol Rabobank CT + 2
4 Simon Geschke Skil - Shimano s.t.
5 Mario Costa Barbot - Siper + 3
6 Gregory Brenes Burgos 2016 - Castilla y Leon + 4
7 Eric Baumann Team NetApp + 5
8 Florian Guillou Bretagne - Schuller s.t.
9 Luca Ascani CDC - Cavaliere s.t.
10 Hubert Schwab Vorarlberg - Corratec s.t.
11 Przemyslaw Niemiec Miche s.t.
12 Filippo Baggio Ceramica Flaminia + 6
13 Bernardo Colex Amore & Vita - Conad s.t.
14 Hélder Oliveira Barbot - Siper s.t.
15 Alexander Gottfried Team NetApp s.t.
16 Marco Frapporti Colnago - CSF Inox s.t.
17 Patrik Sinkewitz ISD - Neri s.t.
18 Dominique Cornu Skil - Shimano s.t.
19 Bastian Bürgel Thüringer Energie Team s.t.
20 Justin Williams Trek Livestrong U23 s.t.
Stage 2: A stage rated as hilly little circuit
59 riders finished together - apart from the winner who got a gap. Is this a problem for some people?
Spoiler Rank Name Team Time
1 Przemyslaw Niemiec Miche 3h48'06
2 Pasquale Muto Miche + 14
3 Hubert Schwab Vorarlberg - Corratec s.t.
4 Ruslan Pidgornyy ISD - Neri s.t.
5 Emanuele Vona ISD - Neri s.t.
6 Simon Clarke ISD - Neri s.t.
7 Patrik Sinkewitz ISD - Neri s.t.
8 Steve Houanard Skil - Shimano s.t.
9 Paolo Longo Borghini ISD - Neri s.t.
10 Mitja Mahoric Adria Mobil s.t.
11 Carlo Scognamiglio ISD - Neri s.t.
12 Reto Hollenstein Vorarlberg - Corratec s.t.
13 Simon Geschke Skil - Shimano s.t.
14 Silvère Ackermann Vorarlberg - Corratec s.t.
15 Santo Anza Ceramica Flaminia s.t.
16 Donato Cannone Ceramica Flaminia s.t.
17 José Luis Roldán AndalucÃa - Cajasur s.t.
18 Krzysztof Szczawinski Miche s.t.
19 Dominique Cornu Skil - Shimano s.t.
20 Alexander Gottfried Team NetApp s.t.
21 Kristjan Fajt Adria Mobil s.t.
22 Giuseppe Muraglia CDC - Cavaliere s.t.
23 Marco Frapporti Colnago - CSF Inox s.t.
24 Luca Ascani CDC - Cavaliere s.t.
25 Sergej Fuchs Team Nutrixxion Sparkasse s.t.
26 Andreas Schillinger Team NetApp s.t.
27 Dirk Müller Team Nutrixxion Sparkasse s.t.
28 Sacha Modolo Colnago - CSF Inox s.t.
29 Tomasz Nose Adria Mobil s.t.
30 Uros Murn Adria Mobil s.t.
31 Federico Canuti Colnago - CSF Inox s.t.
32 Volodymyr Bileka Amore & Vita - Conad s.t.
33 Huub Duyn Team NetApp s.t.
34 Jorge MartÃn Montenegro AndalucÃa - Cajasur s.t.
35 Hélder Oliveira Barbot - Siper s.t.
36 Volodymyr Zagorodny Miche s.t.
37 René Weissinger Vorarlberg - Corratec s.t.
38 Iván Melero Burgos 2016 - Castilla y Leon s.t.
39 Marko Kump Adria Mobil s.t.
40 Filippo Savini Colnago - CSF Inox s.t.
41 Konstantin Volik Amore & Vita - Conad s.t.
42 Bernardo Colex Amore & Vita - Conad s.t.
43 Roy Curvers Skil - Shimano s.t.
44 Jetse Bol Rabobank CT s.t.
45 Bastian Bürgel Thüringer Energie Team s.t.
46 Davide Bonuccelli CDC - Cavaliere s.t.
47 Raivis Belohvosciks Ceramica Flaminia s.t.
48 Davide D'Angelo CDC - Cavaliere s.t.
49 Taylor Phinney Trek Livestrong U23 s.t.
50 Paolo Bailetti Ceramica Flaminia s.t.
51 Florian Guillou Bretagne - Schuller s.t.
52 Florian Vachon Bretagne - Schuller s.t.
53 Marcel Barth Thüringer Energie Team s.t.
54 Yuri Metlushenko Amore & Vita - Conad s.t.
55 Blaz Jarc Adria Mobil s.t.
56 Sérgio Ribeiro Barbot - Siper s.t.
57 Martin Schöffmann Vorarlberg - Corratec s.t.
58 Byron Guama Burgos 2016 - Castilla y Leon s.t.
59 René Obst Team Nutrixxion Sparkasse s.t.
60 Vitaliy Popkov ISD Continental Team + 1'39
61 Vladislav Borisov Amore & Vita - Conad s.t.
62 Andreas Dietziker Team NetApp s.t.
63 Oleksandr Martynenko ISD Continental Team s.t.
64 Davide Torosantucci CDC - Cavaliere s.t.
Stage 3: Flat rated but a bit hilly at end.
Spoiler Rank Name Team Time
1 Sacha Modolo Colnago - CSF Inox 4h09'55
2 René Weissinger Vorarlberg - Corratec s.t.
3 Emanuele Vona ISD - Neri s.t.
4 Alexandre Usov ISD Continental Team s.t.
5 Marcel Kittel Thüringer Energie Team s.t.
6 Taylor Phinney Trek Livestrong U23 s.t.
7 Robert Wagner Skil - Shimano s.t.
8 Simon Clarke ISD - Neri s.t.
9 Federico Canuti Colnago - CSF Inox s.t.
10 Steve Houanard Skil - Shimano s.t.
11 Paolo Longo Borghini ISD - Neri s.t.
12 Huub Duyn Team NetApp s.t.
13 Dirk Müller Team Nutrixxion Sparkasse s.t.
14 Volodymyr Bileka Amore & Vita - Conad s.t.
15 Silvère Ackermann Vorarlberg - Corratec s.t.
16 Pasquale Muto Miche s.t.
17 Yuri Metlushenko Amore & Vita - Conad s.t.
18 Carlo Scognamiglio ISD - Neri s.t.
19 JoaquÃn Ortega Barbot - Siper s.t.
20 Yuriy Agarkov ISD Continental Team s.t.
21 Patrik Sinkewitz ISD - Neri s.t.
22 Martin Schöffmann Vorarlberg - Corratec s.t.
23 Vitaliy Popkov ISD Continental Team s.t.
24 Krzysztof Szczawinski Miche s.t.
25 John Degenkolb Thüringer Energie Team s.t.
26 Przemyslaw Niemiec Miche s.t.
27 Marco Frapporti Colnago - CSF Inox s.t.
28 Hubert Schwab Vorarlberg - Corratec s.t.
29 Volodymyr Zagorodny Miche s.t.
30 Dominique Cornu Skil - Shimano s.t.
31 Oscar Gatto ISD - Neri s.t.
32 Ruslan Pidgornyy ISD - Neri s.t.
33 Alan Marangoni Colnago - CSF Inox s.t.
34 Giuseppe Muraglia CDC - Cavaliere s.t.
35 Maximilian May Thüringer Energie Team s.t.
36 Marko Kump Adria Mobil s.t.
37 Tomasz Nose Adria Mobil s.t.
38 Andreas Dietziker Team NetApp s.t.
39 David O'Loughlin An Post - Sean Kelly s.t.
40 Bernardo Colex Amore & Vita - Conad s.t.
Stage 4:
A more difficult hilly one
19 man front group dominated by ISD.
Spoiler Rank Name Team Time
1 Patrik Sinkewitz ISD - Neri 4h32'20
2 Emanuele Vona ISD - Neri s.t.
3 Pasquale Muto Miche s.t.
4 Marco Frapporti Colnago - CSF Inox s.t.
5 Hubert Schwab Vorarlberg - Corratec s.t.
6 Ruslan Pidgornyy ISD - Neri s.t.
7 Uros Murn Adria Mobil s.t.
8 Simon Geschke Skil - Shimano s.t.
9 Sergej Fuchs Team Nutrixxion Sparkasse s.t.
10 Tomasz Nose Adria Mobil s.t.
11 Przemyslaw Niemiec Miche s.t.
12 Dirk Müller Team Nutrixxion Sparkasse s.t.
13 Paolo Longo Borghini ISD - Neri s.t.
14 Mitja Mahoric Adria Mobil s.t.
15 Hélder Oliveira Barbot - Siper s.t.
16 Simon Clarke ISD - Neri s.t.
17 Alexander Gottfried Team NetApp s.t.
18 José Luis Roldán AndalucÃa - Cajasur s.t.
19 Silvère Ackermann Vorarlberg - Corratec s.t.
20 Huub Duyn Team NetApp + 1'49
21 Luca Ascani CDC - Cavaliere s.t.
22 Santo Anza Ceramica Flaminia s.t.
23 Sérgio Ribeiro Barbot - Siper s.t.
24 Donato Cannone Ceramica Flaminia s.t.
25 Marcello Pavarin Colnago - CSF Inox s.t.
26 Krzysztof Szczawinski Miche s.t.
27 Reto Hollenstein Vorarlberg - Corratec s.t.
28 Paolo Bailetti Ceramica Flaminia s.t.
29 Davide Bonuccelli CDC - Cavaliere s.t.
30 Bernardo Colex Amore & Vita - Conad s.t.
31 Kristjan Fajt Adria Mobil s.t.
32 Florian Guillou Bretagne - Schuller s.t.
33 Javier RamÃrez Abeja AndalucÃa - Cajasur s.t.
34 Davide D'Angelo CDC - Cavaliere s.t.
35 Jorge MartÃn Montenegro AndalucÃa - Cajasur s.t.
36 Carlo Scognamiglio ISD - Neri s.t.
37 Volodymyr Bileka Amore & Vita - Conad s.t.
38 Federico Canuti Colnago - CSF Inox s.t.
39 Steve Houanard Skil - Shimano s.t.
40 Byron Guama Burgos 2016 - Castilla y Leon s.t.
41 Sacha Modolo Colnago - CSF Inox s.t.
42 Taylor Phinney Trek Livestrong U23 s.t.
43 Filippo Savini Colnago - CSF Inox s.t.
44 Jetse Bol Rabobank CT s.t.
45 Gregory Brenes Burgos 2016 - Castilla y Leon s.t.
46 Konstantin Volik Amore & Vita - Conad s.t.
47 Dominique Cornu Skil - Shimano s.t.
48 Raúl Santamarta Burgos 2016 - Castilla y Leon s.t.
49 Martin Schöffmann Vorarlberg - Corratec s.t.
50 Manuel Ortega AndalucÃa - Cajasur s.t.
51 Marko Kump Adria Mobil + 3'08
52 Volodymyr Zagorodny Miche s.t.
53 Jan Barta Team NetApp s.t.
54 Edwin Carvajal Miche s.t.
55 Cristiano Fumagalli Ceramica Flaminia s.t.
56 Mario Costa Barbot - Siper + 4'01
57 Vitaliy Popkov ISD Continental Team s.t.
58 René Weissinger Vorarlberg - Corratec s.t.
59 Yuriy Agarkov ISD Continental Team s.t.
60 Bastian Bürgel Thüringer Energie Team s.t.
Unfortunately stage 5 ended with just four finishers (11km road stage up Mt Fuji) the rest finished outside the time limit. But the four came in well apart...
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| Rin |
Posted on 16-02-2011 10:36
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Is there also a Paris-Roubaix result?
And the 2nd question would be how would you handle the prologue stat? Especially the created ones like Dietmar More-Less 
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 16-02-2011 10:41
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The only fair way to do the prologue stat is make a formula based on the other stats.
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| Heine |
Posted on 16-02-2011 10:54
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I suggested, and suggest a formula based on TT, Acc and Spriting. With TT being the most important one, followed by Acc and then sprint (someting like 0,6xTT+0,25xAcc+0,15xSpriting (or whatever)
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 16-02-2011 11:20
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There was a discussion on prologue stats in the 2011 ideas thread, thats the place for this sort of discussion really
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 16-02-2011 16:20
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Rin wrote:
Is there also a Paris-Roubaix result?
And the 2nd question would be how would you handle the prologue stat? Especially the created ones like Dietmar More-Less
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