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SotD
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Posted on 25-01-2011 21:08
Ohh... Hadn't seen that... How can your team get 159 then? 105 for 3rd and 35 for the 7 riders getting through the race? I must have the wrong pointscales... Not that it matters, cause in general I get the same result as you do Smile
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Posted on 25-01-2011 21:10
SotD wrote:
Ohh... Hadn't seen that... How can your team get 159 then? 105 for 3rd and 35 for the 7 riders getting through the race? I must have the wrong pointscales... Not that it matters, cause in general I get the same result as you do Smile


124 for 3rd

Its not the same as CQ as of the start of this season, theres a topic in the Announcements forum with it all in
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Posted on 25-01-2011 21:18
Ahh alright. Thanks for clearing that up. I couldn't get my own points right either... Oh well... The big picture is the same, but of course as close as it is now it really means quite a lot :-)
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Posted on 25-01-2011 21:20
Great win for Van Garderen, the race set up perfectly for him. In races like Badaling i hope for good results be he tends to be around or outside tenth pretty often. Need more good results to try to sneak into the top 3 at the end of the year.
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Posted on 25-01-2011 21:27
A lacklustre race for La Gazzetta and both Festina and Wikipedia are close the gap to them by almost 200 points in the fight for 2nd. 3rd for Schleck helps Vesuvio to continue their climb up, overtaking Jack Wolfskin. While Kolesnikov leads Warner Bros into 9th, ahead of Domina Vacanze.

Starbucks are the only big scorers outside the Top 10, and they lift themselves up above Energie. Only 125 points separates 15-18th though, the relegation battle remains too close to call.

11Sony Ericsson7215
22La Gazzetta dello Sport5915
33Festina - Corona5878
44Wikipedia5809
55Pearl Adidas5627
67Vesuvio-Accumalux5470
76Jack Wolfskin5387
88Auber 93 - Look5377
910Warner Brothers5355
109Domina Vacanze5302
1111Team B&O5280
1212Lipton Ice Tea5189
1313Café de Colombia4788
1414Philips - TDC4610
1515Carmeuse Cyclisme4377
1616Team Nespresso4376
1718Team Starbucks-Radioshack4271
1817Energie-Diesel4252
1919Lafarge3233


Schleck is back up into the top 10, climbing 4 to 8th. Van Garderen's win puts him 30th, while Visconti goes 39th, and Ulissi 42nd. We also had our first stagiares in action, not all finished, but some did - and earn some ranking points thanks to it.

1SimonSpilakSLOWarner Brothers2120
2YuriTrofimovRUSSony Ericsson2064
3TaylorPhinneyUSAWikipedia2046
4AlejandroValverdeESPCafé de Colombia1927
5EmanueleSellaITALipton Ice Tea1629
6DamianoCunegoITALa Gazzetta dello Sport1571
7RigobertoÚranCOLVesuvio-Accumalux1375
8FrankSchleckLUXVesuvio-Accumalux1293
9DanieleBennatiITALa Gazzetta dello Sport1286
10RobertGesinkNEDJack Wolfskin1272
11AleksandrPluchkinMOLTeam B&O1196
12Edvald BoassonHagenNORTeam B&O1181
13BeñatIntxaustiESPVesuvio-Accumalux1160
14AlessandroBallanITASony Ericsson1159
15RubénPlazaESPJack Wolfskin1118
19Luis LeonSanchez GilESPEnergie-Diesel962
23SamuelSánchez GonzalezESPFestina - Corona947
26MarcusBurghardtGERWikipedia893
27JanBakelantsBELPearl Adidas873
30TejayVan GarderenUSAWikipedia838
31RaúlGranjel CabreraCUBSony Ericsson829
33JoaquinRodriguez OliverESPPhilips - TDC787
34NickNuyensBELDomina Vacanze745
35PatrikSinkewitzGERAuber 93 - Look714
39GiovanniViscontiITATeam Starbucks-Radioshack690
41AndreiAmadorCRCTeam Starbucks-Radioshack689
42DiegoUlissiITAFestina - Corona686
43CarlosCastañoESPFestina - Corona670
45DaniloDi LucaITATeam Nespresso596
46RomainVanderbiestFRAPearl Adidas591
49JérômeBaugniesBELLipton Ice Tea570
52SergeiKolesnikovRUSWarner Brothers556
57MichaelVan StayenBELJack Wolfskin508
59DannySummerhillUSACafé de Colombia499
61LeonardoDuqueCOLEnergie-Diesel486
65SantoAnzaITASony Ericsson456
70DominiqueCornuBELJack Wolfskin404
72NikolasMaesBELAuber 93 - Look375
73RafaelRodríguez SegarraESPLa Gazzetta dello Sport374
76GeertSteursBELTeam Nespresso328
85SergioGhisalbertiITALipton Ice Tea291
87HeinrichHausslerGERAuber 93 - Look284
92LarsBoomNEDAuber 93 - Look268
95AndreiGrivkoUKRTeam B&O258
96TomDanielsonUSALipton Ice Tea255
97JelleVanendertBELDomina Vacanze252
100YoannOffredoFRAPearl Adidas242
101TomLeezerNEDPearl Adidas238
103NolanHoffmanSAFTeam Nespresso232
106MartinReimerGERPhilips - TDC223
111SandyCasarFRACarmeuse Cyclisme211
112SebastianLangeveldNEDAuber 93 - Look209
118ParideGrilloITASony Ericsson194
121DmitriMuravjevKAZSony Ericsson189
122ÓscarPereiro SioESPCafé de Colombia187
124MaximIglinskiKAZVesuvio-Accumalux185
127MatejMugerliSLOLa Gazzetta dello Sport182
129AlexDowsettGBRLa Gazzetta dello Sport181
136DamienGaudinFRAAuber 93 - Look174
141ChristianKneesGERCafé de Colombia168
146StevenCaethovenBELCarmeuse Cyclisme158
148TomVeelersNEDTeam B&O157
150PieterJacobsBELCarmeuse Cyclisme154
151LaurensTen DamNEDJack Wolfskin154
152AlexandreAulasFRACarmeuse Cyclisme153
155ManueleMoriITASony Ericsson150
158ClémentLhotellerieFRACarmeuse Cyclisme148
159FranciscoManceboESPJack Wolfskin148
164Lars YttingBakDENPhilips - TDC147
166MauroSantambrogioITALa Gazzetta dello Sport146
171MaximeBouetFRAAuber 93 - Look141
174SergioMarinangeliITALa Gazzetta dello Sport140
179MatteoBonoITALa Gazzetta dello Sport137
185SébastienJolyFRACafé de Colombia129
187MarkusEibeggerAUTDomina Vacanze128
197StefanDeniflAUTFestina - Corona119
198RonanVan ZandbeekNEDLafarge119
200RémyDi GregorioFRACarmeuse Cyclisme118
202AngelViciosoESPEnergie-Diesel117
203DavidVitoriaSWIPearl Adidas117
204BrunoPiresPOREnergie-Diesel116
212StenStenersenNORTeam B&O111
214MarcelSiebergGERJack Wolfskin110
215RemmertWielingaNEDLa Gazzetta dello Sport110
218MortenReckwegDENTeam B&O109
219AleksandrSerebriakovRUSPhilips - TDC109
220JurgenVan GoolenBELFestina - Corona109
226WilliamBonnetFRALafarge105
227Thomas VedelKvistDENFestina - Corona103
231ThomasFaiersGBRVesuvio-Accumalux101
233PierrickFédrigoFRATeam Nespresso100
234MichelKrederNEDJack Wolfskin100
235KevinHulsmansBELWarner Brothers99
236NielsScheunemannNEDPhilips - TDC99
238Juan EstebanArangoCOLCafé de Colombia97
239RobertoTraficanteITATeam Nespresso97
241JoseMendesPORTeam Nespresso96
246GuillaumeLevarletFRAPearl Adidas93
247LuisFernández OliveiraESPSony Ericsson92
249JacobFiedlerGERTeam Nespresso92
250MichelSibillaFRATeam Nespresso92
251WouterWeylandtBELCarmeuse Cyclisme92
254BjörnSchröderGERDomina Vacanze91
264TylerBrandtUSAWikipedia90
265RembertoJaramilloCOLTeam Starbucks-Radioshack89
266VicenteReynèsESPCafé de Colombia89
267ConstantinoZaballaESPEnergie-Diesel89
268SteveMorabitoSWIFestina - Corona87
269SvenNooytensBELLipton Ice Tea87
270MartinPedersenDENPhilips - TDC87
271WilliamWalkerAUSPearl Adidas86
274MatthewBuscheUSAWikipedia85
276FabioCiccareseITATeam Starbucks-Radioshack85
278AdamPetrie-ArmstrongIRLLipton Ice Tea85
286DenisGalimzyanovRUSVesuvio-Accumalux83
287BenGastauerLUXVesuvio-Accumalux83
288AlexArdila CanoCOLCafé de Colombia82
292WoutPoelsNEDJack Wolfskin81
298MaurizioBiondoITAEnergie-Diesel80
299GabrielBrizuelaARGLipton Ice Tea80
302José AntonioRedondoESPWarner Brothers78
311KristjanKorenSLOTeam Starbucks-Radioshack76
314Marco Alexandre FerreiraCunhaPOREnergie-Diesel75
316JanHopmanNEDVesuvio-Accumalux75
318AleksandrMironovRUSLipton Ice Tea75
326IsaacSpeirsIRLDomina Vacanze72
338PedroMerino CriadoESPVesuvio-Accumalux70
343AndersLundDENPhilips - TDC68
347DavidClaereboutLUXVesuvio-Accumalux66
349ChristopheBrandtBELCarmeuse Cyclisme65
353MichaelMørkøvDENPhilips - TDC65
361MarkusFahnertGERTeam Starbucks-Radioshack62
362SébastienRosselerBELWarner Brothers61
366MauroRichezeARGPearl Adidas60
370DaniloWyssSWIDomina Vacanze59
383KristjanFajtSLOTeam Starbucks-Radioshack55
388GregDe WindeBELWarner Brothers54
389JurajSaganSVKTeam B&O53
401SylvainCalzatiFRAWildcard: EL AL - IDF50
407BadenCookeAUSDomina Vacanze47
415PaulMartensGERJack Wolfskin45
472SylvainChavanelFRAWildcard: EL AL - IDF27
547DanielEliadISRWildcard: EL AL - IDF5
548BriceFeilluFRAWildcard: EL AL - IDF5
549Lasse NormanHansenDENTeam Starbucks-Radioshack (S)5
570Muhammet Eyüp KaragobekTURWarner Brothers (S)5
571IgnasKonovalovasLTUWildcard: EL AL - IDF5
572EricPidunGERTeam B&O (S)5
573SaulRaisinUSAWildcard: EL AL - IDF5
574GregoryRastSWIWildcard: EL AL - IDF5
575RomainSicardFRAWildcard: EL AL - IDF5
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SotD
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Posted on 25-01-2011 21:30
I think you are the team best suited for a top 3 besides La Gazzetta... You have a pretty strong overall team. Tejay van Garderen will score decent in the hills, Burghardt should podium in the TONE, Zabriskie could win the Chrono des Herbies and I guess that either Phinney or Zabriskie is riding one or both of those last tours?

I guess that TONE and the Chrono will be the winning stunt. Otherwise it will be Schleck that will send Vesuvio up...
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Posted on 25-01-2011 21:32
Impressive that I'm 3rd as my best individual rider is 23rd Smile
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Posted on 25-01-2011 21:34
SotD wrote:
I think you are the team best suited for a top 3 besides La Gazzetta... You have a pretty strong overall team. Tejay van Garderen will score decent in the hills, Burghardt should podium in the TONE, Zabriskie could win the Chrono des Herbies and I guess that either Phinney or Zabriskie is riding one or both of those last tours?

I guess that TONE and the Chrono will be the winning stunt. Otherwise it will be Schleck that will send Vesuvio up...


Unfortunately i dont have much in Austarias but Zabriskie is well suited to a good Duetschland tour with the tt and all. Van garderen and Burghardt both going to TONE hopefully covers me either way it turns whether in favor of punchuers or cobblers. It will be hard to overtake you and Gazzeta, especially with Vesuvio closing very rapidly
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Posted on 25-01-2011 21:40
dave92 wrote:
SotD wrote:
I think you are the team best suited for a top 3 besides La Gazzetta... You have a pretty strong overall team. Tejay van Garderen will score decent in the hills, Burghardt should podium in the TONE, Zabriskie could win the Chrono des Herbies and I guess that either Phinney or Zabriskie is riding one or both of those last tours?

I guess that TONE and the Chrono will be the winning stunt. Otherwise it will be Schleck that will send Vesuvio up...


Unfortunately i dont have much in Austarias but Zabriskie is well suited to a good Duetschland tour with the tt and all. Van garderen and Burghardt both going to TONE hopefully covers me either way it turns whether in favor of punchuers or cobblers. It will be hard to overtake you and Gazzeta, especially with Vesuvio closing very rapidly


I think I will end up 4th. I can't see me ending up higher as I have no riders for neither TONE nor the Chrono... Sammy and Ulissi are performing well in the hills when looking at the overall throughout the season, but are a bit inconsistent imo... Carlos Castaño is definately not among the strongest in the Deutschland Tour, and should be lucky to get top 8 or so... In the Asturias I have Sammy Sanchez and Castaño. I need some good results there to get top 3 I think...

Vesuvio have Schleck for the hills and 3 strong Tour riders for the Asturias and Germany. La Gazzetta is a big questionsmark for me. I have no idea how many racedays Bennati, Rogers and Cunego has left... I would guess that Cunego is in Asturias and some hilly races, while Rogers is in germany and Chrono and Bennati is probably in one of the tours and perhaps the Fourmies...
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Posted on 25-01-2011 21:48
SotD wrote:
La Gazzetta is a big questionsmark for me. I have no idea how many racedays Bennati, Rogers and Cunego has left... I would guess that Cunego is in Asturias and some hilly races, while Rogers is in germany and Chrono and Bennati is probably in one of the tours and perhaps the Fourmies...


Pretty much, Bennati only has Fourmies but apart from that you are spot on.
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Posted on 25-01-2011 21:50
So they have a good race schedule also... Will be very much up to the form of the day in each race whether or not La Gazzetta will keep performing. Imo they are probably the best equipped for 2nd, and then Wiki for 3rd, and Vesuvio vs. Myself for 4th...
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Posted on 25-01-2011 21:55
Well, Wikipedia have TONE and Herbiers - but Van Garderen wont necesarilly score well elsewhere. Zabriskie is in Deutschland, but a lot of top riders are there looking to make the mountain stage count.

I think youll get 3rd SotD Wink
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Posted on 25-01-2011 22:04
SportingNonsense wrote:
Well, Wikipedia have TONE and Herbiers - but Van Garderen wont necesarilly score well elsewhere. Zabriskie is in Deutschland, but a lot of top riders are there looking to make the mountain stage count.

I think youll get 3rd SotD Wink


I'll take you on that one Smile - And if we can get La Gazzetta thrown out for inactivety then I'm happy Pfft
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Posted on 25-01-2011 22:22
A top 10 and two top 15's. I'll take that as a wild-card with a strong field.
 
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Posted on 26-01-2011 19:40
8th for Plaza is good. And a strong ride from van der Hugenhaben and Van Huffel as well.
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Posted on 26-01-2011 19:41
OOo, great result there by Sinkewitz, and I know SN will be very happy with that result from Mr Paid-Too-Much.
 
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Posted on 26-01-2011 19:58
A surprising lack of attacks all round - I wasnt sure if the finish was actually the finish, or a whole lap still to go. But thats works out perfectly. You dont bring Frank Schleck to an uphill sprint finish, and let him get near the front, then expect to be doing anything other than fighting for 2nd! Grin

After the way he won his first FBD stage, I was fairly confident from the shot at 2.5km to go, and he duly delivered.

P.s. Crue getting nervous yet? All Rodriguez seems to do right now is crash!
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Posted on 26-01-2011 20:00
If Zagreb is the WC course, may well see a similar winner.
 
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Posted on 26-01-2011 20:11
fenian_1234 wrote:
If Zagreb is the WC course, may well see a similar winner.


Thats what I'd hope - but as is so often the case, it can be a lot harder for Schleck to make the effort and ensure he is at the front with 1km to go. If he gets there though, he is hard to beat
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Posted on 26-01-2011 20:42
Bakelants Grin Just a shame he always attacks but never seems to able to stay away. A 2nd in an uphill sprint is more than satisfying given he had attacked earlier.

Also, nice of Fothen to take the plunge this season to make it easier for him to take a huge pay cut next year Pfft
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