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| Heine |
Posted on 28-11-2010 14:06
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Crippling in the way that promoting would be a direct demotion again. For some of the teams (I'll take Bacardi becuse of Ricco as an example) the team would probobly be without Ricco, what does that mean? He would have 890k extra wage, he could then sign 2x Kirchen and 1x Goss extra (wagewise) and would take the penalty down by 200k.
The whole idea behind it is to get the riders that would realistically be in the PT to be there. The effect on teams without the biggest riders (Ricco, Steegmans, Pozzatto, maybe even Gusev and the like) would be minimal.
Of course this is my opinion, and I'm not the one who makes the decisions, I just post my opinion and why I got it.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 28-11-2010 14:08
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As far as expensive pro tour riders go, they are an effective way of achieving goals, for example, rather than having to find 2 solid Spanish riders who would be competitive in the Continental tour, I got Valverde which allowed three things
1. He achieved all my goals, allowing me to get more money this year to set up for a promotion attempt.
2. As I was aiming for Spanish riders to get two of them for 350,000 each who would both get enough points to be worth it is a real challenge when, as everyone is saying, they just are not necessarily available. You can see from Wiggle, that they have needed three seasons to build up enough solid riders to promote, and Valverde has given me a shot of doing after 2.
3. Enjoy PT races because I had someone to compete in them, something many CTteams struggle with.
Note buying Valverde didn't allow me to promote, as he just didn't race enough to give me the promotion slot meaning a big star isn't a long term strategy.
As such I'm fine with CT teams buying the odd PT free agent, remember, it's almost always free agents who's team has been shut down, and the CT teams are almost always new, because you need a large cap space. If we limit new teams too much then they won't win anything in their first year and then will leave. Giving them the 5 victories a year a big star gives them, keeps them interested without breaking anything.
There are logistical difficulties on top of that, is it just for FA's or does it apply to transfers and loans as well? what about contract renewals, such as a young talent whom you have raised. Do you have to sell them as soon as they max out?
That doesn't seem fair
Now for something completely different. National teams should be a fun optional extra rather than a bonus for the managers involved, as many people have said, there are not enough options, and too many French/Spanish/Italian teams would make the game dull.
Hope this makes sense
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| SotD |
Posted on 28-11-2010 14:08
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The problem is that most people who want to win don't want to take shit riders at 50k wages if they can get some decent ones... At my team I have these riders with 50k:
Francis Mourey (75 cobble, decent climber also)
Vladimir Bileka (76 sprint, 72 tt and decent uphill)
Mathieau Bernaudeau (76TT - 78 next year)
Wen Hao Li (72 TT - 76 next year)
Kristof Goddaert (76 TT)
Ramunas Navardauskas (77 TT)
Patrick Gretsch (77 TT)
I have done a ton of research to get those riders. I wouldn't be able to get such good riders by going for a specific nationality. It's a combination of luck, good preperation and patience. I have went for decent TTers 3 straight years, and now it seems I finally have the TTT team I want next year:
Bernaudeau 78
Gretsch 77
Navardauskas 77
Goddaert 76
Li 76
Dees 76
van Goolen 75
+ whatever leader I need to perform...
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 28-11-2010 14:15
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I'm too sick right now to read through all the dense forum-speak above, so I might be misunderstanding stuff (all though what I'm adding I think is new).
1) Nationalities - all for it, especially as it wouldn't cause me any problems  . What I was thinking though is that what we do is make it so that any team that fulfills a requirement for home nationality riders, say, 8 or something, gets a bonus to their budget (post transfers, pre training/wildcards), with the reasoning being something along the lines of a boost from the national federation or something.
2) Criterium Series - More money. If I do it again next year, which I'm planning too, I want interest, and the only way that is happening is more dough. I was thinking 50k per race, with 25 for the winner, 15 for second, and 10 for third, with the final race being worth 100k, winner take all, and the final standings being worth 100k for the winner, 75k for the second, 50k for third, 25k for fourth, and 10k for fifth. Basically, more cash. Don't know if that would mess up the budget structures, but hopefully that would get more people interested. Should also note that timing is the big reason I'm struggling with the Crit Series right now, as the fall of senior year is the busiest time in my high school career by a mile. But Holland will be up today, with Spain probably done pretty close to on time, and by then I'll have a lot less to do. |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 28-11-2010 14:17
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Look at my team, I do a tonne of research, and TRAIN over the seasons my domestiques. I actually hire crap riders and over time they'll become my 50k domestiques. At the end of the day, domestiques rarely need to be good. The AI makes them good enough anyway a lot of the time. The only time you really need it is for a GT winner to have a couple of good climbers around them, and if you need to do well in a TTT.
Also, 200k extra on my wage would get rid of Ponzi and someone like Diggle as well. I wouldn't be able to try and win the Continental Tour then, would I?
MB, it's really only taken me 2 seasons to build my team, last, and this, in context of the Italians. I hired the brits the season before that, but my race for promotion came from last season really. But again, I took the time to buy riders who would mature, rather than were the best already - though I did get lucky last season with Nocentini popping up. Saying that, I did get rinsed the first season I played.
Like I kind of said before, having PT riders in the CT isn't really all that much of an issue, especially considering with Wildcards, the PT managers get to be thankful when the CT riders come up and dick on them, that that team isn't always in the PT. Just think if Wiggle was in the PT, another team would be getting demoted
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| SotD |
Posted on 28-11-2010 14:19
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So if you win all races then you get how much money?
Not that I would buy a rider for that purpose, but as it is now training quality riders better cost atleast 1mil, most likely also way more (I spent 3mil on Contador)...
So if the best crit team wins 400k or so then be my guest. I don't want it to be much more, then it would be speculating imo, and I don't like that too much...
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 28-11-2010 14:19
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Nationalities? Nah, no bonus. It's just a cool bragging point from my mind. If you got a bonus, people would do it just for that reason, and that's not a good reason to do something. You should only ever do something for the point of doing it, not for getting something out of it. Though saying that, I do get pleasure out of having a Anglo-Italian team.
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| SotD |
Posted on 28-11-2010 14:22
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Agreed rjc... No bonus for nationality...
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 28-11-2010 14:27
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At SotD - Assuming 4 races max entry (which it would be with only slightly more increased participation), if a team won every race it entered (w/ no places or shows), the finals, and the overall standings, they would earn 300k, with a max of about 350k if they did get places and shows (2nd and 3rd). |
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| SotD |
Posted on 28-11-2010 14:27
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"MB, it's really only taken me 2 seasons to build my team, last, and this, in context of the Italians. I hired the brits the season before that, but my race for promotion came from last season really. But again, I took the time to buy riders who would mature, rather than were the best already - though I did get lucky last season with Nocentini popping up. Saying that, I did get rinsed the first season I played."
And that is the very cool thing. Different strategies work for different teams. My team haven't changed that much over the last couple of years. I changed it a lot in the beginning, because I got an existing team, but Samuel Sanchez have been here all along. Diego Ulissi was bough last year because Sammy was getting older. Castaño and Ardila have been in for 2 years. I trained them the first season, and Contador the next. So now I have my base around riders who have been in for 2 or more seasons...
Only change I have made was Hushovd out and Bewley in on loan. Basically because I wanted to try something new. I don't think it has made any difference pointwise at all...
The only riders I keep changing are the helpers, that I believe was a problem the season before. This year I got Blaise Sonnery, Francis Mourey, Vladimir Bileka and some loanies, simply because my sprinting qualities last year sucked. They haven't improved this year at all, so that is probably something I will try to modify next year also...
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| Smowz |
Posted on 28-11-2010 14:41
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Two more things to raise, both once again sorry to say about the CTour:
1) Cobbled races - No need for two HC one day races. Perhaps increase the standing of the Tour of Belgium or the four days of dunkirk and put a cobbled stage in there. Or increase the standing of the De Panne Tour.
2) Let's give the new teams something how about a draft pick for young riders to give them a chance to develop. One of the overwhelming things for me was to get a squad together in two weeks of the transfer season. It would have been nice to have at least some riders in the back before the transfer season started.
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| Smowz |
Posted on 28-11-2010 14:42
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Two more things to raise, both once again sorry to say about the CTour:
1) Cobbled races - No need for two HC one day races. Perhaps increase the standing of the Tour of Belgium or the four days of dunkirk and put a cobbled stage in there. Or increase the standing of the De Panne Tour.
2) Let's give the new teams something how about a draft pick for young riders to give them a chance to develop. One of the overwhelming things for me was to get a squad together in two weeks of the transfer season. It would have been nice to have at least some riders in the back before the transfer season started.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 28-11-2010 14:46
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Smowz wrote:
2) Let's give the new teams something how about a draft pick for young riders to give them a chance to develop. One of the overwhelming things for me was to get a squad together in two weeks of the transfer season. It would have been nice to have at least some riders in the back before the transfer season started.
A draft pick for new teams to give them a few riders might work. Consisting of some riders who are free agents this year - on the logic that none of the existing teams wanted them. It would have to be an opt-in thing though, Im not sure if all new managers would want to be given X amount of riders - who may have little/nothing in common with their goal. E.g. OlegTinkov went after a Russian team, and probably would not have appreciated receveing a random Spaniard, Belgian, American etc in a draft.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 28-11-2010 14:49
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1) Fair enough, I'm not a fan of cobbles really, so I'm a fan of reducing the HC standings for one dayers, but not for adding cobbles to Belgium as Hermans always tries to go and win that...
2) But any draft pick will give an advantage of riders to new teams, who in all [read: some] existing managers eyes, should have no advantage at all, considering they have a blank slate to play with regarding salary cap. Why should older teams not be allowed to pick riders or try and buy them? Why should new teams get any draft pick/first pick of riders? That just ain't fair in my book. [I may have misunderstood your idea somewhat - but it's more towards letting you pick as you want - that wouldn't be fair, but "giving" you some riders to fill a few spots might be, depending on who they are - for example level 4 maxed riders, sure. After all, who's to say a young rider who wasn't picked last season isn't the target for someone (ie, me) this coming season?]
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| SotD |
Posted on 28-11-2010 14:56
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I'm against the draft system. If you aren't willing to spend hours on end in the DB then your team must be as such...
The managers who spend tons of time training talented riders in all aspects gets an advantage, but simply because they earn their talents. If a new manager isn't satisfied with 14 days with the DB then they are always welcome to come to me and ask about talents. I have a list of 100 riders each year that could possibly be good for me. And If they aren't going to any teams, and mine are full I always contact some CT teams letting them know that it could be a decent rider after some seasons. Then it's up to them to listen or not...
No reason for the talent to get stuck in the FA list, if someone have honestly missed them, while they could use them...
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:00
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SotD wrote:
I'm against the draft system. If you aren't willing to spend hours on end in the DB then your team must be as such...
The managers who spend tons of time training talented riders in all aspects gets an advantage, but simply because they earn their talents. If a new manager isn't satisfied with 14 days with the DB then they are always welcome to come to me and ask about talents. I have a list of 100 riders each year that could possibly be good for me. And If they aren't going to any teams, and mine are full I always contact some CT teams letting them know that it could be a decent rider after some seasons. Then it's up to them to listen or not...
No reason for the talent to get stuck in the FA list, if someone have honestly missed them, while they could use them...
And that has gotten you in trouble before hasn't it? More especially when you ignore the "going to any teams" part... 
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| SotD |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:16
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Nah that wasn't exactly what got me in trouble...
I mean riders such as the ones I picked to Team Ultimate. Riders with level 1 or 2, who could become on level of let's say Navardauskas or so...
Some managers in here can speak of me doing so I believe 
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Posted on 28-11-2010 15:20
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Telling someone X rider would be a good buy is fine if that rider has yet to be bidded on.
Trying to raise the price up of a rider who is already being bidded on, by recommending the rider to others, is not fine.
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:21
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Heine wrote:
YouTube: 184k
Yamaha: 24,5k
Wiggle: 200,8k
Vespa: 305k
Unicredit 47.5k
UBS: 210k
Tinkoff: 0 (Bravo)
Telenor: 20k
Pokerstars: 0 (Bravo)
Lego: 24k
IKEA: 142k
Falcon: 0 (Bravo)
Benfica: 0 (Bravo)
Santander: 123,65k
Red Bull: 0 (Bravo)
Quicksilver: 44k
Pirrelli: 80k
Petronas: 59,5k
Pendeltons: 137,5k
Milka: 63k
Mercedes: 165k
Intesa: 0 (Bravo)
Highroad: 45k
El Al: 44k
Cilit Bang: 252,5k
Bimbo: 71k
bbox: 20k
Bacardi: 325k
100%: 112,5k
Just to be argumentative, why do you get a 'bravo' for not having the balls / ambition to go for a big name signing? |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 28-11-2010 15:24
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How about re-training as an idea?
Along the lines of someone like Boonen or Hushovd or even, Wiggins, irl? They loose a bit from one stat and gain in another? |
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