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Alberto Contador Positive
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| Swede007 |
Posted on 30-09-2010 01:32
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EintrachtFan wrote:
I'm only sorry for the upcoming world champion, who won't get the headlines, as Contador gets them instead.
But this is probably gonna take a while to be decided, kinda like Mr. Armstrong's case |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 30-09-2010 03:27
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Honestly I hope he gets banned.
Honestly I think he will.
Honestly when was he in China last? Food contamination my ass.
He's a terrible liar and a horrible cheater.
But honestly besides his devilish looks he seems like a nice person.
Edited by valverde321 on 30-09-2010 03:40
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| ruben |
Posted on 30-09-2010 05:22
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Meh, 0.0000000000000000000000000005 positive?
Obviously he will get away with this. Doesn't seem like doping to me either but hey. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 30-09-2010 08:40
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Damsgaard says it's likely a blood transfusion gone wrong
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| siwi |
Posted on 30-09-2010 08:45
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Damsgaard is crap. I still think that Contador will get out of this. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 30-09-2010 08:54
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siwi wrote:
Damsgaard is crap.
I wouldn't say he's crap. Just corrupt. He has no reason to lie this time around.
siwi wrote:I still think that Contador will get out of this.
Doubt it. When did a cyclist get away with Clenbuterol?
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| pesci |
Posted on 30-09-2010 08:56
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What I can´t understand is that it takes more than 2 months to finish the Tour tests....
also I think he might be guilty but not of Clembuterol....
He will scape from this the amount is too tiny!! |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 30-09-2010 08:58
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Im waiting for the B sample, the eventual court case, then CAS, before i make a statement.
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 30-09-2010 09:03
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issoisso wrote:
siwi wrote:
Damsgaard is crap.
I wouldn't say he's crap. Just corrupt. He has no reason to lie this time around.
siwi wrote:I still think that Contador will get out of this.
Doubt it. When did a cyclist get away with Clenbuterol?
Isn't the amount found 400x below the amount needed for a positive according to WADA rules or did I get something wrong? Cause if it is, he will most likely get away.
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| RHW |
Posted on 30-09-2010 09:05
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ruben wrote:
Meh, 0.0000000000000000000000000005 positive?
Obviously he will get away wiith this. Doesn't seem like doping to me either but hey.
My first thought was - Clenbuterol!? You'd have to be such an idiot to take that, first of all it isn't that performance enhancing! And it hangs around in your system for ages as ages so not exactly a "safe" drug to be using if you're trying to not get caught. And as a trade off you get an increase in calorie consumption for the same effort so you risk getting the bonk more often....sound familar with Contador? 
I suspect this is going to get very messy. I've just read the reports of the Li positive (didn't follow that one particularly closely) and I believe that WADA went against their own rules for suspension when they banned Li for a similar amount to Contador, and nowhere near their minimum concentration requirements for Clenbuterol.
Min. requirements are there for this precise reason, if there is a small contamination in a supplement, or food or drink, then it doesn't return a positive test. If the B sample comes back with a similar concentration (as we expect it will), WADA will try to ban Contador and get nowhere as he will have an army of lawyers in no time taking WADA to court for breaking their own anti-doping rules......yeesh |
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| RHW |
Posted on 30-09-2010 09:06
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pesci wrote:
What I can´t understand is that it takes more than 2 months to finish the Tour tests....
also I think he might be guilty but not of Clembuterol....
He will scape from this the amount is too tiny!!
What is it you struggle to understand exactly? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 30-09-2010 09:06
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schleck93 wrote:
Isn't the amount found 400x below the amount needed for a positive according to WADA rules or did I get something wrong? Cause if it is, he will most likely get away.
No. It's the press release's fault and the media's fault. They're not being very clear. The "400x" statement was a general gloating statement about how ZOMGAWESOMZ the lab is.
Clenbuterol doesn't have a minimum amount. Any amount triggers a positive
Edited by issoisso on 30-09-2010 09:08
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| RHW |
Posted on 30-09-2010 09:09
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issoisso wrote:
schleck93 wrote:
Isn't the amount found 400x below the amount needed for a positive according to WADA rules or did I get something wrong? Cause if it is, he will most likely get away.
No. It's the press release's fault and the media's fault. They're not being very clear. The "400x" statement was a general gloating statement about how ZOMGAWESOMZ the lab is.
Clenbuterol doesn't have a minimum amount. Any amount triggers a positive
This is incorrect. Minimum amounts are available to view here: https://www.wada-a...RPL_EN.pdf Apologies that is the 2009 document but requirements for Clenbuterol testing hasn't changed in the last 12 months.
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| pesci |
Posted on 30-09-2010 09:15
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RHW wrote:
pesci wrote:
What I can´t understand is that it takes more than 2 months to finish the Tour tests....
also I think he might be guilty but not of Clembuterol....
He will scape from this the amount is too tiny!!
What is it you struggle to understand exactly?
Why dopping test are so extremely slow? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 30-09-2010 09:18
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RHW wrote:
issoisso wrote:
schleck93 wrote:
Isn't the amount found 400x below the amount needed for a positive according to WADA rules or did I get something wrong? Cause if it is, he will most likely get away.
No. It's the press release's fault and the media's fault. They're not being very clear. The "400x" statement was a general gloating statement about how ZOMGAWESOMZ the lab is.
Clenbuterol doesn't have a minimum amount. Any amount triggers a positive
This is incorrect. Minimum amounts are available to view here: https://www.wada-a...RPL_EN.pdf Apologies that is the 2009 document but requirements for Clenbuterol testing hasn't changed in the last 12 months.
I was keeping it simple so it would be easier to understand 
But since you insist, The full explanation is that there is a minimum quantity that is the least that can be reliable measured by instruments. Any less and it can just be a result of the error margins.
Now, the UCI or WADA didn't disclose quantities. Other sources are claiming the quantity found was 3000ng/mL, while the minimum is 2ng/mL
We have no way of knowing if those values are true, but if the values weren't enough to hit the minimum, the lab would've returned to the UCI the response of "negative test", not positive, so none of this would be happening.
Then again, enough crazy stupid crap has been happening this season that I'll consider any possibility at this point.
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 30-09-2010 09:25
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Finally. I hope he will get caught (maybe not a good thing for the sport at this time, but in a longer run it's good). I never liked Contador, but we will see. |
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| RHW |
Posted on 30-09-2010 09:25
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issoisso wrote:
I was keeping it simple so it would be easier to understand
But since you insist, The full explanation is that there is a minimum quantity that is the least that can be reliable measured by instruments. Any less and it can just be a result of the error margins.
Now, the UCI or WADA didn't disclose quantities. Other sources are claiming the quantity found was 3000ng/mL, while the minimum is 2ng/mL
We have no way of knowing if those values are true, but if the values weren't enough to hit the minimum, the lab would've returned to the UCI the response of "negative test", not positive, so none of this would be happening.
Then again, enough crazy stupid crap has been happening this season that I'll consider any possibility at this point.
I haven't seen any other sources claiming a quantity other than 50pg/mL was found, got a link?
If we are going to "keep it simple", quite frankly if there is less than 2ng/mL in both the A & B samples, WADA will be limited by their own rules & unable to ban him, despite having already set a precedent with Fuyu Li. Like I said, yeesh... |
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Posted on 30-09-2010 09:29
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RHW wrote:
I haven't seen any other sources claiming a quantity other than 50pg/mL was found, got a link?.
Not here, sorry. I'll check the browsing history when I get home.
RHW wrote:
If we are going to "keep it simple", quite frankly if there is less than 2ng/mL in both the A & B samples, WADA will be limited by their own rules & unable to ban him, despite having already set a precedent with Fuyu Li. Like I said, yeesh...
When have WADA let a little thing like due process get in their own way? 
Like you said....yeesh
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| mat4404 |
Posted on 30-09-2010 09:39
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Could this not be a bit like the Landis case? In the off season he takes Clenbuterol, then, when he thinks it's out of his system, he banks his blood for use within the tour. Then on the rest day in Pau he uses this blood, believeing that it is clean, only for tests to show traces of the steroid.
Contador is not stupid enough to take such an old school drug which is know to hang around in the system for yonks. Therefore, I believe that, it is either a blood transfusion that was fucked up, or his contamination excuse is genuine. |
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| RHW |
Posted on 30-09-2010 09:41
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I'd be amazed if he'd actually taken it at all, at any point in the season. It's suicide for one of the most tested riders on the planet. |
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