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BIG NEWS FROM CYANIDE ABOUT THE AI
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| roturn |
Posted on 18-08-2010 22:50
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I admit I used PCM Daily, but I have seen posts in PPDB with the official release, with the same problems.
In my video I attacked with Elmiger, together with Boonen und Lars Boom was the first man in the peloton and "much" faster than us. |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 19-08-2010 00:42
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Domestique
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Good that Cyanide is willing to cooperate, BUT
I find it very weird and hard to believe that they can't reproduce these problems we are having, there is so many who have them, i dont understand this. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 19-08-2010 01:20
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A quite smart post in German forum just wrote that it`s of course not that easy than we maybe think.
He explained it like this:
Reproducing is not optical. Probably they know what we mean if they play the game. But they can`t fix it in game. So they must look into the source code and fix it there. But it`s harder to find the right passage inside the code. So they must find the right place where to start. Also they can`t just add parts of last years code because too much changed between the two versions.
Of course this is just a short translation of what he wrote, but I hope it`s clear what he was talking about. It`s not that easy and will take some time, so we should wait for Freire, what he is saying on Monday?!? |
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| mat4404 |
Posted on 19-08-2010 02:03
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TBH i'd rather they deleted the entire code from this years game and placed 09 (or even better 06) code back in. Can you imagine that with these stunning PCM10 graphics? |
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| turtlesoup |
Posted on 19-08-2010 04:00
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breakaways are ridiculous, 13 riders constantly having a go for half the stage and then sometimes the riders continue to attack even after the break has room (even in 3 man breaks) they dont relay and you cant motion for them to participate. |
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| hellboy |
Posted on 19-08-2010 07:04
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I am sorry but am I alone who thinks that this thing smells?3months after the release date Cyanide realises that they need help from the community?
That is ridicolous,they should have realised it half a year sooner and not to take money from us and then let the community do their work.
I am still big fan of Pcm and appreciate all the work they have done and i hope for better PCM 11
Go Roman!
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| Talleyrand |
Posted on 19-08-2010 07:18
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Hellboy and all you guys,
This is not the time to criticize and whine again.
Cya is learning a hard lesson and I'm sure next year a few things will change in the way they will prepare the game and also in the way they will monitor it post-release. The latter was the biggest problem, the complaints posted in the forums simply didn't end up where they should have ended up: On the desks of the folks who can decide to correct these problems.
So please come up here with all your gruesome examples, replays, descriptions of horrible AI gameplay. I trust Ruben will transfer those to the "Hilly" post in the PPDB Forum where I will pick them up later today for transfer to the appropriate people at Cyanide. They are eagerly waiting for this.
Let's solve these problems now, guys.
Don't expect 100% perfection immediately with the upcoming patch (on which work has started yesterday) but now we are communicating with Cyanide in the right way at last, I don't see any reason why we can't solve this via a perfect customer / producer cooperation from which everybody will win.
Fair players don't cheat
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| broerie |
Posted on 19-08-2010 07:36
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Junior Rider
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I tried to save a replay, but it crashed.
My biggest problems:
-full peloton sprint in Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne
-going backwards when attacking (happens always when i try to attack downhill)
-riders soloing 70 km while being chaded by the peloton and even gaining time
-peloton closes a six minute gap in the last 20 km
-and of course the peloton staying together for too long in hilly or mountain stages |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 19-08-2010 07:41
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Talleyrand wrote:
Hellboy and all you guys,
This is not the time to criticize and whine again.
Cya is learning a hard lesson and I'm sure next year a few things will change in the way they will prepare the game and also in the way they will monitor it post-release. The latter was the biggest problem, the complaints posted in the forums simply didn't end up where they should have ended up: On the desks of the folks who can decide to correct these problems.
So please come up here with all your gruesome examples, replays, descriptions of horrible AI gameplay. I trust Ruben will transfer those to the "Hilly" post in the PPDB Forum where I will pick them up later today for transfer to the appropriate people at Cyanide. They are eagerly waiting for this.
Let's solve these problems now, guys.
Don't expect 100% perfection immediately with the upcoming patch (on which work has started yesterday) but now we are communicating with Cyanide in the right way at last, I don't see any reason why we can't solve this via a perfect customer / producer cooperation from which everybody will win.
Talleyrand, have they mentioned anything about Focus deleting our posts? |
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| pmtg99 |
Posted on 19-08-2010 07:43
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broerie wrote:
I tried to save a replay, but it crashed.
My biggest problems:
-full peloton sprint in Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne
-going backwards when attacking (happens always when i try to attack downhill)
-riders soloing 70 km while being chaded by the peloton and even gaining time
-peloton closes a six minute gap in the last 20 km
-and of course the peloton staying together for too long in hilly or mountain stages
1. there are no cobblestone sections in the last 50 or so km in the game, which is flat road. therefore a bunch sprint is going to occur.
2. cyanide has done that to discourage attacking downhill. its cheating anyway.
3. that is one bug, that the pack doesn't chase individuals.
4. closing 6 minutes in 20km isn't unacheivable if the breakaway has been away for 200+ km |
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| hellboy |
Posted on 19-08-2010 07:51
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Breakaway Specialist
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Talleyrand wrote:
Hellboy and all you guys,
This is not the time to criticize and whine again.
Cya is learning a hard lesson and I'm sure next year a few things will change in the way they will prepare the game and also in the way they will monitor it post-release. The latter was the biggest problem, the complaints posted in the forums simply didn't end up where they should have ended up: On the desks of the folks who can decide to correct these problems.
So please come up here with all your gruesome examples, replays, descriptions of horrible AI gameplay. I trust Ruben will transfer those to the "Hilly" post in the PPDB Forum where I will pick them up later today for transfer to the appropriate people at Cyanide. They are eagerly waiting for this.
Let's solve these problems now, guys.
Don't expect 100% perfection immediately with the upcoming patch (on which work has started yesterday) but now we are communicating with Cyanide in the right way at last, I don't see any reason why we can't solve this via a perfect customer / producer cooperation from which everybody will win.
I understand your words,but i am still far from being optimistic as these problems shoúld have been solved before release
But here i end my critics and i am loving servant of Cyanide
Go Roman!
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| broerie |
Posted on 19-08-2010 08:17
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Junior Rider
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pmtg99 wrote:
broerie wrote:
I tried to save a replay, but it crashed.
My biggest problems:
-full peloton sprint in Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne
-going backwards when attacking (happens always when i try to attack downhill)
-riders soloing 70 km while being chaded by the peloton and even gaining time
-peloton closes a six minute gap in the last 20 km
-and of course the peloton staying together for too long in hilly or mountain stages
1. there are no cobblestone sections in the last 50 or so km in the game, which is flat road. therefore a bunch sprint is going to occur.
2. cyanide has done that to discourage attacking downhill. its cheating anyway.
3. that is one bug, that the pack doesn't chase individuals.
4. closing 6 minutes in 20km isn't unacheivable if the breakaway has been away for 200+ km
I dissagree with some of the things you say
1 the cobbeled sections schould tear apart the peloton. Now the peloton was still complete after the last cobbled strech
2 true, It was waaaay too easy in 09, but now it's wrong also. You can't even attack downhill with good descenders, so basically the downhil stat is worthless
3 frustrating isn't it
4 it happened several times in my career and is not normal anymore. They close a minute per kilometer on flat roads... not realistic to me |
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| longimanus |
Posted on 19-08-2010 09:42
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The biggest problems I have would be
1) the mass sprints, nibali and basso together won 4 mass sprints in the Giro d'Italia, Contador won 3 during the Tour
2) the hilly classics, when you attack with lets say Andy Schleck on Roche aux Faucons, you get caught by the peloton seconds after, but when Gilbert attacks with 60 km to go he winns LBL with an advantage of over 3 minutes, even when all my riders try to chase him down.
3) Counter attacking isn't really usefull any more, especially during mountain stages, even with Contador it's hard to counter an attack launched by another rider, you hardly ever reach them. I think the reason here is the fact that it takes way too long before your rider attacks when you say he has to.
4) Rides like Basso attacking on flat roads during mountain stages and gaining minutes on the pack, while I chase him down letting 4 of my riders relay at the front at 95%.
5) The game tends to shock during some races (especially when I use the speed up button x8 and when the riders are taking turns like in descents) (could be a computer issue, not really sure, but it also tends to happen when I put the graphic settings on the lowest level and shut down the replay) |
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| andybandy |
Posted on 19-08-2010 10:18
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Stagiare
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We have some replays of hilly and cobble stages. Would be nice if someone could provide replays for sprints where GC riders win as well. Replays are more important than descriptions. Will test more this evening.
Edit: Freire says on the Cyanide forum that they have find and reproduced GC riders winning sprints, go I guess it's not that important after all.
Edited by andybandy on 19-08-2010 10:22
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| Kami |
Posted on 19-08-2010 10:45
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jph27 wrote:
Talleyrand, have they mentioned anything about Focus deleting our posts?
Macimate wrote:
From the PPDB forum, post from Talleyrand:
I have had very positive contacts with Cyanide's upper management on the AI problems.
First of all they apologize for all the non responding to all the complaints and to the embarrassing deleting of members' accounts at the Cyanide Forum.
It is difficult to believe but the Cya management was unaware of what was happening, and that also has to do something with the holiday season in France.
I guess it were moderators acting in sheer panic.
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| longimanus |
Posted on 19-08-2010 13:28
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As it is impossible to give a replay of this issue I'm just gonna try to explain it. (it's not really AI related but still)
When the transfer season opens, you first get the chance to resign new riders (and I do not resign all of them off course) and from the beginning of July you can sign new riders. But in some seasons the game still counts my not resigned riders as signed so I cannot offer new riders a contract because my costs are too high (above 700.000 even though without those ending contracts they shouldn't be)
ps: I've had the same issue in PCM '09
Cycling isn't a sport, it's a passion.
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| great1 |
Posted on 19-08-2010 13:53
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Samuel Sanchez won 7 mass sprint stages in the Vuelta, in my career. 7X20 sec=2 minutes and 20 seconds gained just on bonuses.
Oh, and he won 2 mountain stages too. That would make 9 stage victories in a grand tour.
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| great1 |
Posted on 19-08-2010 13:56
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Another issue, Nibali signed for Astana in july. In october i released him to see what happens: his contract with Astana was canceled and I re-signed him.
Now that's bug. |
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| EintrachtFan |
Posted on 19-08-2010 14:09
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So are we supposed to post the Replays + Results here or in the Cyanide Topic?
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Stage mode - Normal - OfficialRelease - 4th Stage Tour de France
It's a complete flat Stage - ended in a mass sprint, won by the GC riders....
Replay: https://www.multiu...KE4XSEHDE7
Spoiler 1 Cadel Evons CBM RACING TEAM 3h14'20
2 Karsten Kreon CBM RACING TEAM s.t.
3 Maxim Iglinskiy ASTANA s.t.
4 Andy Schleck TEAM SAXO BANK s.t.
5 Alberto Contador ASTANA s.t.
6 Samuel Sánchez EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI s.t.
7 Alejandro Valverde CAISSE D'EPARGNE s.t.
8 Yaroslav Popovych TEAM RADIOSHACK s.t.
9 Jurgen Van den Broeck OMEGA PHARMA-LOTTO s.t.
10 Sylvain Chavanel QUICKSTEP s.t.
11 Luis León Sánchez CAISSE D'EPARGNE s.t.
12 Daniele Bennati LIQUIGAS – DOIMO s.t.
13 Koldo Fernandez EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI s.t.
14 Kim Kurchen TEAM CATYOUCHA s.t.
15 Bradley Wuggins TEAM BLUE SKY s.t.
16 Andreas Klöden TEAM RADIOSHACK s.t.
17 Maarten Wynants QUICKSTEP s.t.
18 Fabian Wegmann TEAM MILRAM s.t.
19 Allan Davis ASTANA s.t.
20 Carlos Sostre CAR&VELO TEST TEAM s.t.
21 Iñaki Isasi EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI s.t.
22 Gert Steegmans TEAM RADIOSHACK s.t.
23 Pablo Lastras CAISSE D'EPARGNE s.t.
24 Ivan Basso LIQUIGAS – DOIMO s.t.
25 Ryder Hosjedal GAMIN - TRANSITATION s.t.
26 Robbie McEwan TEAM CATYOUCHA s.t.
27 Denis Menchov RABOBANK s.t.
28 Thor Heshovd CAR&VELO TEST TEAM s.t.
29 Murilo Foscher GAMIN - TRANSITATION s.t.
30 Dominique Rellin CAR&VELO TEST TEAM s.t.
31 Serge Pouwels TEAM BLUE SKY s.t.
32 Tyler Ferrar GAMIN - TRANSITATION s.t.
33 Michael Rogers TEAM HTC - COLUMBIA s.t.
34 Mark Cavendish TEAM HTC - COLUMBIA s.t.
35 Gerben Löwik OMEGA PHARMA-LOTTO s.t.
36 Jean-Christophe Péraud OMEGA PHARMA-LOTTO s.t.
37 Greg Van Avermaet OMEGA PHARMA-LOTTO s.t.
38 Ben Swaft TEAM BLUE SKY s.t.
39 Egoi MartÃnez EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI s.t.
40 Alexandre Bitcharov TEAM CATYOUCHA s.t.
Edited by EintrachtFan on 19-08-2010 14:13
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| andybandy |
Posted on 19-08-2010 14:12
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Stagiare
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Yes, would be nice to know where to post the replays. Perhaps open a new thread on the Cyanide forum with a template on how to post? (Race mode, database, difficulty etc)
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