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| jph27 |
Posted on 13-08-2010 19:27
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hillis91 wrote:
ruben wrote:
So all supporters of Armstrong, Vino, Millar, Ricco', etc are weak?
Pitifull character
But then again...what else is new 
Armstrong = Never convicted
And yes, they are weak. Cheaters should be banned for a life time, not 2 years.
Weak?
You are weak if you like someone as a Cyclist but not as a person? |
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| ruben |
Posted on 13-08-2010 19:30
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So, I'm sure you lied about something you did wrong in your life once Hillis, (every human does), should you be banned for life as well?
Seriously, stop the populistic talk. It's annoying. You sound like Taylor Phinney and all other hypocrits. |
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 13-08-2010 19:41
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It's a HUGE differance betwen taking something illegal that will give you a unfair advangtage over your competitors and doing something else like stealing or what ever. Because living your life is not the same as competing - where it's cash rewards and where people relay on the team to provide for their family.
But let's leave it at that my friend, let's agree to dissagree?
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| jph27 |
Posted on 13-08-2010 19:47
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hillis91 wrote:
It's a HUGE differance betwen taking something illegal that will give you a unfair advangtage over your competitors and doing something else like stealing or what ever. Because living your life is not the same as competing - where it's cash rewards and where people relay on the team to provide for their family.
But let's leave it at that my friend, let's agree to dissagree?
I don't agree to disagree, I disagree.
Seriously, isn't doping stealing? |
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| ruben |
Posted on 13-08-2010 19:53
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@hillis: Taking doping is as much making a mistake in your life as anything else is.
Maybe you are strong enough to resist the temptation of doing just a bit better when you are super talented and see less talented or equal talented people snatch away the victories in front of you. But many riders (as proven) are not.
Who are you to condemn them as 'weak persons'. And to condemn the fans of them as 'weak persons'.
Why is taking dope worse than making any other big mistake in your life (and lie about it for instance)
That makes you a hypocrite.
There is nothing to agree or disagree on
Edited by ruben on 13-08-2010 19:53
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 13-08-2010 20:14
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ruben wrote:
@hillis: Taking doping is as much making a mistake in your life as anything else is.
Maybe you are strong enough to resist the temptation of doing just a bit better when you are super talented and see less talented or equal talented people snatch away the victories in front of you. But many riders (as proven) are not.
Who are you to condemn them as 'weak persons'. And to condemn the fans of them as 'weak persons'.
Why is taking dope worse than making any other big mistake in your life (and lie about it for instance)
That makes you a hypocrite.
There is nothing to agree or disagree on
Well it's also stealing money and jobs from people who aren't cheating, it's purjury to a certain degree if you deny it. Yes, it's not the worst offence that you can make, but in my opinion it's worse that becoming an alcoholic as you mess up other peoples lives and not just your own.
As far as fans go, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and personally I treat people who deny Armstrong's doping the same way I treat people who deny the moon landing. Poorly informed and too quick to believe what they here without questioning.
Supporting a rider once they have come back from suspension is fair enough, they have served their time and, without evidence that they are continuing to dope, their fans are much the same as those who support any 'clean' rider.
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 13-08-2010 20:38
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ruben wrote:
@hillis: Taking doping is as much making a mistake in your life as anything else is.
Maybe you are strong enough to resist the temptation of doing just a bit better when you are super talented and see less talented or equal talented people snatch away the victories in front of you. But many riders (as proven) are not.
Who are you to condemn them as 'weak persons'. And to condemn the fans of them as 'weak persons'.
Why is taking dope worse than making any other big mistake in your life (and lie about it for instance)
That makes you a hypocrite.
There is nothing to agree or disagree on
Stop justifiging what the convicted riders has done. You write like it's okey? No it's not okey. If it was "ok", it wouldn't be a agency checking the riders
for it.
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| arkaitzvdb |
Posted on 14-08-2010 07:52
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roturn wrote:
In reality he is actually quite good. But not like Sean Kelly  Definitely not.
But he was 2nd in Tour de Romandie behind Valverde. So there is potential.
Simon Spilak:
FL - MO -HIL -DH -TT -STA RES REC COB FTR -SP ACC MED
77 - 71 - 76 - 71 - 73 - 80 - 76 - 66 - 82 - 80 - 69 - 70 - 80
His major results (30 years old) in my Career mode (PC2009):
De Ronde: 6 victories
Milano-San Remo: 5 vicories
Paris-Roubaix: 2 victories
Liege-Bastogne-Liege: 2 victories
Giro di Lombardia: 1 victorie
World Championship (Road Race): 1 victorie
Gent-Wevelgem: 3 victories
Amstel Gold Race: 1 victorie
Fleche Wallona: 1 victorie
GP E3 Harelbeke: 3 victories
Scheldeprijs Vlaanderen: 2 victories
Monte Paschi Eroica: 3 victories
Het Volk: 1 victorie
GP Plouay: 1 victorie
Dwars door Vlaanderen: 1 victorie
Tre Valli Varesine: 1 victorie
Giro Lazio: 1 victorie
Milano-Torino: 1 victorie
Urkiola Igoera: 1 victorie
Bayern Tour (overall)
Tour de Pologne (o)
Tour de luxembourg (o)
4 Jours de Dukerque (o)
2º Vuelta España (o)
3º Vuelta España (o)
...and much more
Edited by arkaitzvdb on 10-02-2011 19:26
Said is not heard. Heard is not understood. Understood is not agreed to. Agreed to is not carried out. Carried out is not adhered to.
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| breezer |
Posted on 14-08-2010 09:03
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Mike, just lock topic..
Its mostly Offtopic now anyways  |
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 14-08-2010 12:17
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arkaitzvdb wrote:
roturn wrote:
In reality he is actually quite good. But not like Sean Kelly Definitely not.
But he was 2nd in Tour de Romandie behind Valverde. So there is potential.
Simon Spilak:
FL MO HIL DH TT STA RES REC COB FTR SP ACC MED
77 71 76 71 73 80 76 66 82 80 69 70 80
His major results (30 years old) in my Career mode (PC2009):
De Ronde: 6 victories
Milano-San Remo: 5 vicories
Paris-Roubaix: 2 victories
Liege-Bastogne-Liege: 2 victories
Giro di Lombardia: 1 victorie
World Championship (Road Race): 1 victorie
2º Vuelta España (o)
3º Vuelta España (o)
...and much more
Spilak 82 in Cobbles?
He always struck me as more of a mountaineer if you ask me
although finishing 9th IRL in RvV (same time as Hincapie, Ballan and more) probably means that he is a bit better than i thought at cobbles |
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| ruben |
Posted on 14-08-2010 15:50
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Cobble riding is overrated in general.
Only in PR do you need some real sort of skill for that.
But in the Ronde not so much
A hilly rider like Bartoli won the Ronde. Gilbert places top 3. Boogerd was even 9th in RVV and not a cobbles specialist at all.
I think a guy like Andy Schleck or even Alberto Contador on a good day could do top 10 in the Ronde
But why bother with all the risks? |
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