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Contador wins the mass sprint!
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| geisterhome |
Posted on 29-07-2010 00:20
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is or will this be included in the pcmdaily db, meaning the lowring of the sprint values etc to provide us with a more realistic racing exp? |
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| 9-Ball |
Posted on 29-07-2010 04:01
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Maybe Cyanide 'should' fix this but I wouldn't hold your breath. They never have before, so far as I've seen. If you want the game to run more 'realistically' then you'll be pulling your sleeves up and editing those stats. It doesn't take all that long - you're basically looking at raising the top sprinter SP and REC stats and lowering the GC riders who feature in sprints they shouldn't. Couple of hours work.
Not many things in life work as they 'should', unfortunately, and Cyanide is pretty far down the food chain, in the grand scale of things. 
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 29-07-2010 04:06
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Well it happened to me on the 1st stage of the Tour of Oman so REC would have nothing to do with it. We can just yell and scream on the Cyandie forum in hopes that they fix. That usually happens with blackmail too.  |
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 29-07-2010 04:09
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It wouldent be a problem if they only made the AI push harder the last K's. And if the AI teams made trains for their sprinters.. That would fixs the problem... IMO(!)
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Posted on 29-07-2010 04:15
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hillis91 wrote:
It wouldent be a problem if they only made the AI push harder the last K's. And if the AI teams made trains for their sprinters.. That would fixs the problem... IMO(!)
Yeah agreed. And I bet its because of the new and 'improved' system that makes break-aways easier.
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| Macimate |
Posted on 29-07-2010 09:19
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It has nothing to do with recovery as this also happens the whole first week playing a tour. |
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Posted on 29-07-2010 09:28
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| Lachi |
Posted on 29-07-2010 14:24
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Also it cannot be due to the SP skill because the have low values already.
And you cannot lower the ACC for the GC-riders because this skill is very necessary for attacks in the hills.
These GC-riders shouldn't be in the very front of the peloton AND they should not even start to sprint in a mass sprint. Also I cannot understand why they are so fast, maybe it is because they have more yellow and red bar at the end of the stage, but it would be very stupid if the yellow bar is more important than the sprint skill. |
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| Macimate |
Posted on 29-07-2010 14:27
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It's not only the GC riders but also those guys who are good on the flat that's pulling at the end, who gets top 10's. Klier, Ivanov etc.
This seriously ruins my game and I demand a fix from Cyanide.
And why the fuck can't the AI set up a proper sprint-train for themselves? Stupid.
Edited by Macimate on 29-07-2010 14:28
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Posted on 30-07-2010 09:25
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Played the tour and Evans won the yellow and green jersey and he had over 300 points |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 30-07-2010 10:02
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I just played some flat stages yesterday and these new stages are more hilly as in PCM09.
I mean, in previous PCM games the stage builders only created the bigger hills or the stage deciding hills. In PCM 10 the stages follow the "real world" streets but compressed by 10. So if you have a real life hill of 5 km with a height difference of 200 m in the game the hill would be 500m but still 200m height difference have to be travelled. (I am not a stage builder, so please somebody verify this.)
If that is true, sprinters with low hill stats would suffer far more until they reach the last 12km than in previous games. |
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Posted on 30-07-2010 10:16
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Lachi wrote:
I just played some flat stages yesterday and these new stages are more hilly as in PCM09.
I mean, in previous PCM games the stage builders only created the bigger hills or the stage deciding hills. In PCM 10 the stages follow the "real world" streets but compressed by 10. So if you have a real life hill of 5 km with a height difference of 200 m in the game the hill would be 500m but still 200m height difference have to be travelled. (I am not a stage builder, so please somebody verify this.)
If that is true, sprinters with low hill stats would suffer far more until they reach the last 12km than in previous games.
i guess and hope that height is scaled by 10, too.
otherwise a 500m long hill with 200m height would have a 40% gradient!!! |
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Posted on 30-07-2010 10:39
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Yes, you are right, it must be scaled but the stages still have more and steeper hills. |
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Posted on 30-07-2010 11:05
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This was one of the first "bugs" I noticed in this game. Now, I just quick simulate every flat stage, as 3d and detailed simulation always give weird results.
Editing the SP stat is just silly. What'll happen when that rider comes to a sprint, he should actually participate in? He'll get owned by guys who weren't edited.
And it has nothing to do with REC, although that makes it even worse as the race progresses. The problem is, that the sprinters position themselves way down in the pack, and often in one single line, meaning that some sprinters are in 50th or so position as the sprint begins. They'll have no chance of catching up, if the non-sprinters in the front also sprint. |
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Posted on 30-07-2010 11:51
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Never had this, always the big sprinters who take the victory with me.
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| Macimate |
Posted on 30-07-2010 13:40
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Blue_Milk wrote:
Never had this, always the big sprinters who take the victory with me.
Well of course, but rest assure I'd bet my mothers life that the likes of Contaddor has pulled off some unrealistic top 10's in your game? |
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Posted on 30-07-2010 14:24
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It normally happens in GT`s or 1-2 week races after a few mountain stages,
It won`T happen on first stage or totally flat races.
Edited by roturn on 30-07-2010 14:24
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| Macimate |
Posted on 30-07-2010 14:37
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roturn wrote:
It normally happens in GT`s or 1-2 week races after a few mountain stages,
It won`T happen on first stage or totally flat races.
Just not true. Both Contador, Evans and Sanchez has gotten TOP 8's on both the first stage of the tour and during the rest of the first week of the tour, also on the flattest stage at me.. Has nothing to do with recovevery or anything like that, just a fucked AI that makes the game so unrealistic. |
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Posted on 30-07-2010 14:40
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With me it just happens after a few mountainstages. Then they already collected a few sprint points there and recognize that they have a realistic chance to win it. That was my impression. |
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| Macimate |
Posted on 30-07-2010 14:42
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roturn wrote:
With me it just happens after a few mountainstages. Then they already collected a few sprint points there and recognize that they have a realistic chance to win it. That was my impression.
Okay fair enough! I guess it differs from game to game |
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