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Which of the stage races changes course each year?
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| n30k |
Posted on 27-07-2010 23:55
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Imo, Cyanide is just playing with it, due to their monopoly.
Saw what happened with the FIFA games 'till '05? They became worser and worser every year, because they didn't had a competitor. Since PES, EA is working it's hands to the bones to get a better game every year, which worked quite good.
I think that a competitor would be good for us, customers. |
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| Iguwell |
Posted on 28-07-2010 10:22
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I agree. If only EA or someone else started working on a different cycling manager game. Not because I don't like Cyanides, it's great in many ways. But they just don't care enough about their customers because they know they dont have to. So they make alot of lame mistakes almost every year. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 28-07-2010 12:05
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Every year the same bla bla. Not only that your discussion is totally of topic, also your assumption is totally wrong. Competion does not automatically make a product better, if two competitors have to share the income (nobody will buy both games), both companies might reduce the development to save costs. This would result in a cheaper game with less functionality in the end. In fact you cannot compare a cycling manager to a football manager where millions of buyers are waiting for the game. |
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| Bolsen3 |
Posted on 28-07-2010 15:46
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Still doesn't change the fact that they actually managed to make the carer part of the game less good than last year. How is that possible? I mean, had they changed the whole damn thing, you could've understood if something went wrong, but they almost haven't done any changes to it, and still they manage to take away some very nice features. It's extremely frustrating for those of us who can't use the 3d part of the game. I knew the management part hadn't changed much, but I would've never thought they actually made it worse... |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 28-07-2010 16:12
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I do not understand your point. In PCM 09 the variantes only changed the 3D experience. The simulation in PCM 09 ignored the profile of a stage so a variant wouldn't make any difference.
In PCM 10 you have the advanced simulation and better looking stages which also load faster. Both would profit from the variants and it is sad that there are no variants.
But if you are only simulating you get better and more realistic results and therefore a better overall game experience in PCM 10. So they did not make it worse but only different.
Edited by Lachi on 28-07-2010 16:12
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| Hasardeur1933 |
Posted on 28-07-2010 16:21
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Which new Profiles and Race Stages Cyanide want to make? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 28-07-2010 16:31
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No one knows. |
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Posted on 28-07-2010 20:18
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Lachi wrote:
I do not understand your point. In PCM 09 the variantes only changed the 3D experience. The simulation in PCM 09 ignored the profile of a stage so a variant wouldn't make any difference.
In PCM 10 you have the advanced simulation and better looking stages which also load faster. Both would profit from the variants and it is sad that there are no variants.
But if you are only simulating you get better and more realistic results and therefore a better overall game experience in PCM 10. So they did not make it worse but only different.
When I play management games, the most important thing is realism, and it's not very motivating to see the same Tour, the same Giro, the same Vuelta every single year. It may not affect the game when you simulate, but it's still frustrating, most of all because this was something that were actually in the game a year ago, but suddenly it's gone, in my eyes, that is making the product worse...
Of course it's not all bad, I'm not saying that. The detailed simulation is a very good thing, and I like that they have added some historical data, that's great. Weather the total product is better or worse, I don't know, what worries me is that they completely removed a very nice detail in the game without any reason, and that's just plain out stupid... |
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| n30k |
Posted on 28-07-2010 21:12
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Lachi wrote:
Every year the same bla bla. Not only that your discussion is totally of topic, also your assumption is totally wrong. Competion does not automatically make a product better, if two competitors have to share the income (nobody will buy both games), both companies might reduce the development to save costs. This would result in a cheaper game with less functionality in the end. In fact you cannot compare a cycling manager to a football manager where millions of buyers are waiting for the game.
Sorry for my upcoming off topic reaction.
Let me enforce my assumption with an exemple. Ever heard of the Trabant, the Soviet-Russian car? Well, I can tell you that there was no competition whatsoever in the Soviet-Union, and indeed, the Trabant is nowadays still known as an brilliant exemple of what a lack of competition does with a product.
The same with Cyanide. They already have the base of the game, the structure, so: no more developpement for that. And seen as they don't have a competitor, they won't develop their game.
A competitional market is ALWAYS the best option for us, customers. You can say whatever you want, this is a basic economical fact. |
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Posted on 28-07-2010 22:23
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n30k wrote:
Lachi wrote:
Every year the same bla bla. Not only that your discussion is totally of topic, also your assumption is totally wrong. Competion does not automatically make a product better, if two competitors have to share the income (nobody will buy both games), both companies might reduce the development to save costs. This would result in a cheaper game with less functionality in the end. In fact you cannot compare a cycling manager to a football manager where millions of buyers are waiting for the game.
Sorry for my upcoming off topic reaction.
Let me enforce my assumption with an exemple. Ever heard of the Trabant, the Soviet-Russian car? Well, I can tell you that there was no competition whatsoever in the Soviet-Union, and indeed, the Trabant is nowadays still known as an brilliant exemple of what a lack of competition does with a product.
The same with Cyanide. They already have the base of the game, the structure, so: no more developpement for that. And seen as they don't have a competitor, they won't develop their game.
A competitional market is ALWAYS the best option for us, customers. You can say whatever you want, this is a basic economical fact.
I agree with this one, offcourse competiton would force the developers to do a better job. |
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| LoStaffan |
Posted on 28-07-2010 22:24
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well, let's see it from another point of view ... a sport manager game isn't just only about handling of finances nowadays. ea as well as cyanide realised the need to improve the simulation part of their games. nobody wants to see stickmans kicking a ball or riding a bicycle ingame ... so ea upgraded their football manager with an improved 3d mode step by step and if you are for real ... the graphic engine of cyanide's cycling manager was also outdated lately.
but what's the difference between both companies?
-the difference is, that ea has enough resources to improve the graphic while improving also the manager part yet ... while cyanide hasn't even the resources to improve their graphic engine in the 1 year until the next release date obviously. if the reason for it is missing money or just only austerity ... i don't know. but in fact the time wasn't enough to update the manager part also ... while the graphic is kinda up-to-date now ... so next step might be to get the hands on the manager part.
ergo, let's hope for the next edition of the pcm simply 
just my 2 cents... |
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| Hasardeur1933 |
Posted on 29-07-2010 12:19
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When released the Variants of Cyanide? They making it relly 2 weeks.There are amateurs? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 29-07-2010 12:20
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Cyanide never said that they would make a pack of variants, let alone enabling it again.
They said they would release a pack with stages for the current season. We don't know when it's released. |
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| Hasardeur1933 |
Posted on 29-07-2010 12:26
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CrueTrue wrote:
They said they would release a pack with stages for the current season. We don't know when it's released.
For the current season we have the stagemakers in the communitys. I want Variants of Cyanide,not more! They Noobs forget so many Races and others in this Game |
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| Chooney |
Posted on 29-07-2010 12:30
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CrueTrue wrote:
Cyanide never said that they would make a pack of variants, let alone enabling it again.
They said they would release a pack with stages for the current season. We don't know when it's released.
Crue, what is your feeling around this? Im selling my game right away (if someone would even buy it) if they dont enable the stage variants. I mean there is no fun in riding the same routes season after season... |
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| roturn |
Posted on 29-07-2010 12:36
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If I understood CrueTrue right, they will activate the variants.
He just doesn`t know if there are already stages included. Otherwise the community have to create stages.
I am already working on a TdF variants, but have to wait for a patch which makes the stage editor more stable again.
Edited by roturn on 29-07-2010 12:37
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 29-07-2010 12:41
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Currently, we/I don't know whether they will activate it again.
All I know is that they are discussing the possibilities - and believe me, I have done what's possible to convince them.
Either way: If it's enabled, it will be done so in the next patch. |
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| Hasardeur1933 |
Posted on 29-07-2010 12:47
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CrueTrue wrote:
Currently, we/I don't know whether they will activate it again.
All I know is that they are discussing the possibilities - and believe me, I have done what's possible to convince them.
Either way: If it's enabled, it will be done so in the next patch.
I don´t unterstand why Cyanide need so many time for one thing
They make nothing for his own money. |
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| Ennyzor |
Posted on 29-07-2010 12:53
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I really dont understand why they even disabled the feature.. There is no explanation what so ever  |
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| Hasardeur1933 |
Posted on 29-07-2010 16:55
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For which races are variants provided??? I would want a clear answer. Nevertheless, you are in the contact with the Cyanide Community. |
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