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| itsmichael |
Posted on 02-07-2010 20:34
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FLORENCIO (CERVELO) WILL NOT START AT THE TOUR, HIS TEAM PUT HIM OUT OF THE TEAM..
florencio used a medicin with the forbidden efidrine in it!! |
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 02-07-2010 20:37
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he was treating saddle sores without the doctors consent |
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| andybandy |
Posted on 02-07-2010 20:41
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Gabriel Rasch is reserve, but I guess it's too late for him to replace Florencio now? |
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| fightinchicken26 |
Posted on 02-07-2010 20:43
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dgtgoheels wrote:
Well tomorrow is going to be interesting....
https://blogs.sfwe...trongs.php
Looks like Landis really did shake the hornet's nest. Personally I hope nothing comes of this. I mean we all know Lance took drugs. But if he gets crucified for it American cycling will never be the same and American potential and current sponsors will be reluctant to sponsor cycling. Cycling as a whole will be fine but may be for American cycling ripping the band aid quickly will be a little less painful in the long run.
This is not the first time we have been promised illumination into Lance's use of drugs, and it certainly won't be the last. Keep in mind these people are selling a product, and a lot of it seems to come from interviews about Floyd Landis, who has basically lost all credibility over the last four years.
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| itsmichael |
Posted on 02-07-2010 21:01
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andybandy wrote:
Gabriel Rasch is reserve, but I guess it's too late for him to replace Florencio now?
they haven't say of they will call a new rider, so it can |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-07-2010 10:35
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The oldest guideline in criminal investigation is that the more small insignificant details a witness provides, the more likely it is he's telling the truth.
The level of detail Floyd is providing is staggering.
https://online.wsj...Collection
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 03-07-2010 10:42
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Come on.
- He has no credibility
- He is bitter
- He is untalented and jealous, face it
- That's just some more stories he's inventing
- The fact some witness confirm is true just show they're all jealous and bitter, or had a collective hallucination
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| superider2010 |
Posted on 03-07-2010 11:04
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lance armstrong were dopping 6-7 years all the time
in 1999 he was dopping,the official discovered after a few years
they know all the time but the americans bribed them
from 1999 all the riders good on mountains were dopping
lance beat that doppers on mountains,so he is the most dopped rider
landis has no influence but he's telling the truth
americans can do everything because they nr 1 in the world
ian ulrich were caught 2 times and he was the most powerfull adversar
so lance armstrong is the biggest lier,don't worth anything
contador and basso same
evans i hope to win he deserv |
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| boork |
Posted on 03-07-2010 13:57
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Landis might have lost his credibility in the eyes of cycling forum geeks but i think the general public will hold it as believable. Personally i hold it mostly as true but think there are some things that are fiction in Landis stories too. Im not sure that Landis knows that it is though.
On the other hand we have Lance and the people around him. I dont give him any credibility. Several years of lies and cover ups. It seems like everytime he makes a statement of something he has been accused of it is full of lies.
I think it is much more damaging to the sport that the cheaters go unpunished. That cyclists see that it is easy to cheat and that you will get away with it cant help the sport in any way.
In the end i think we all know that Landis words alone will not be enough for a conviction but they need to find more proof based on what he and others say.
Aquarius you are talking about Armstrong right? He seems to be the most bitter person in the sport. |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 03-07-2010 14:00
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Aquarius wrote:
Come on.
- He has no credibility
- He is bitter
- He is untalented and jealous, face it
- That's just some more stories he's inventing
- The fact some witness confirm is true just show they're all jealous and bitter, or had a collective hallucination
All those things apply to me, but you still believe me don't you?  |
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| spudde |
Posted on 03-07-2010 14:39
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boork wrote:
Landis might have lost his credibility in the eyes of cycling forum geeks but i think the general public will hold it as believable.
Actually, I think Landis in this case has still credibility among the people who follow the world of cycling a lot as he isn't the only one who has said similar things during the years. On the other hand, among the general public I think that some people might believe Floyd until Lance comes and slams him and his credibility ( which he already did concerning the new article ) and probably most people who haven't followed the doping developments in the past take Lance's word for it. I know I probably wouldn't believe a single thing that came from the mouth of a guy like Floyd Landis in any matter unless I knew some of the things that have already come up previous concerning Lance and his team.
As some of the forum members have said, after all the people saying these things (and other evidence that I don't probably even know about), it's pretty impossible to say that it's all false. But if you are a guy who doesn't really know about the previous things, Floyd isn't exactly a guy who strikes you as the honest type.
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| trueblue3044 |
Posted on 03-07-2010 15:37
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theres really no proof on either side. landis has lied and so has armstrong. landis' allegations came right after his team did not get invited to the tour of california so he could have just wanted attention or to bring down armstrong cause he was in the spotlight. he just needs more evidence and credibility and then ill believe him. for now im just gonna watch the tour |
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| boork |
Posted on 03-07-2010 16:52
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spudde wrote:
asdf
Yeah i believe that what Landis says is true but just as many others i dont believe it cause of what Landis says but cause of all the other things before that. His words are full of old accusations and even facts but also there are some more doubtful things and even lies.
Someone argued that noone will believe an article based of interviews with Landis and my point was that most cycling forum geeks will probably not think much of it but the article isnt geared towards cycling forum geeks but it is for the general public and i dont see why they should have any reason to doubt Landis as they havent been following whats been going on. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 03-07-2010 21:42
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I was just trying to have the stance of Armstrong's fanboys, something like that.
I could have added that Armstrong is the most tested athlete ever, and that after his cancer he'd never risk his health, so all Landis will ever say about L.A. doping could only be false.
My own point of view, though, is that Landis is telling the truth this time. There's not that many things new to people well informed (cycling geeks like you and me), but a lot of details, a lot of short story about how it happened several times.
When he was talking about his "positively false" testosterone case, his claims were unlikely, so he had no credibility. True or not, what he's claiming this time is very likely, thus it has a high credibility.
I don't know if Landis has recalled all this from memory, or if he was holding a daily diary. In the first case, his stories will probably lack accuracy at some point, and his opponents will use arguments about bad timing, etc. (like Armstrong who already tried to do so, saying Landis claimed he was tested positive during the Tour de Suisse 2002, when Landis never claimed that, but instead claimed he learnt it in 2002) to prove Landis is lying.
I really hope Landis is able to back up all his stories with strong elements, such as pictures, detailed timing, various documents, etc. and I believe it's case, as Vaughters and Andreu mentioned Landis owning a picture of the motorcycle with freezers to transport blood bags, in an MSN chat back in 2005.
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 04-07-2010 01:05
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someone who dedicates themselves tirelessly in the fight against cancer cannot be a fraud. to me, lance armstrong is a saint.  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-07-2010 01:08
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Phanekim wrote:
someone who dedicates themselves tirelessly in the fight against cancer cannot be a fraud. to me, lance armstrong is a saint.
Edited by issoisso on 04-07-2010 01:09
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 04-07-2010 12:18
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Hey, where's today's piece of "How did Lance dope"? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 04-07-2010 20:24
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A couple of months ago, I mentioned that Riis had held a meeting with Stapleton about a possible merger of Saxo / Columbia. Back then, the talks didn't lead to anything.
... but apparently, Riis is still trying:
Strong rumours growing @ TdF caravan about likely merger of HTC-Columbia with remnants of Team Saxo Bank not implied in Andersen's project.
From CQ Ranking's Twitter.
It was also reported by a Danish website today. Stapleton didn't deny it and said that "everything is possible".
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 04-07-2010 20:40
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yeah Cycling news ran with this story today.
I find it quite interesting actually.
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 04-07-2010 20:44
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Maybe that´s what HTC needs all the new sponsors and the money for
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