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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 13-04-2010 14:21
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Well, the stat gains would be allowed, but the added Recovery wouldn't be added on.
Same goes for Ponzi.
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| SotD |
Posted on 13-04-2010 16:40
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Alright... But where is the line of OK and misuse?
Obviously if I somehow could train a rider a couple of stats more in sprint to make him a good helper for GT's also that would be better than training a sprinter who already suck to 76 sprint. He wouldn't be able to win anything anyway...
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| SotD |
Posted on 13-04-2010 16:43
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I mean. A rider like Pozzato was given another 7 to his recuperation this season right?
He is exactly what Ulissi would be if I trained him, only slightly better...
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 13-04-2010 16:45
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If the rider is clearly a sprinter, then he'd get the added Recup/Recovery, whatever it is nowadays, but if he isn't then it just won't be added on.
You won't get penalised for training a puncheur with good sprint in sprint, but you won't benefit as much as if you were training a good hilly sprinter (for example).
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 13-04-2010 16:47
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I don't know if Pozzato was given more rec or not, but yes, I am aware of Ulissi/Ponzi's abilities if they were trained in sprint, yet I also see that we could, technically, abuse the system to make them turn from a one-dayer to a stage race sprinter or puncheur.
Gotta just accept that you've got a good one day puncheur, and not aim for too much with them.
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Posted on 13-04-2010 16:48
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Yeah okay... Let's say I train a guy like Mikael Delage to 76 sprint...
Will he be given the +7?
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 13-04-2010 16:49
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Ultimately, youre not training him (Ulissi) because you want sprinting to be his main function, you just want the recovery stats that would help elsewhere.
Pozzato did get recovery stats, but he did also win the Green Jersey at the Tour in 2009, so the fact that sprinting is one of his key attributes cannot be disputed.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 13-04-2010 16:50
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Yeah, I suspect so.
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Posted on 13-04-2010 16:50
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Like I said, the question was hypothetical, as I would never spend 4mil+ on Ulissi. I spend 3 on Contador because I really needed a leader due to my goals.
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Posted on 13-04-2010 16:52
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rjc -> Alright... So I train Delage to 76 sprint. He recieves +7 recuperation.
Then the following season I train him +6 hilly stats... Would the recuperation be taken away then?
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 13-04-2010 16:53
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No. You'd also be stupid to waste that amount of money on a rider like Delage, when you could buy a good puncheur for the money you wasted on Delage. Or, you could have bought Pozzato for 600,000 this season.
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Posted on 13-04-2010 17:01
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Yeah it was merely a question as to where the line is... Well I don't know... 600.000 for Pozzato isn't exactly 600.000 now is it?
If I can have Delage for 100.000 I have saved 500.000 on my budget. 600k wage is worth much more than 600k budget.
76sprint would cost 1.550.000.
Delage would be:
74 67 73 59 73 70 78 63 76 71 76 64
Hardly a rider that would pose a serious threat the first year around. His wages might even decrease to 70.000 or so.
Then the next year you train him lets say +5 in hills.
That would cost aprox 3mil. Money you could get for a decent run in the PT...
Then Delage would be:
74 67 78 59 73 70 78 63 76 71 76 64
That is quite a solid rider all of a sudden, who could win small hilly tours like the Eire Tour, he could win stages in almost all terrain and possibly be one to watch in a Tour de France stage.
I know my Delage example is a bit of the line, there are probably better examples out there. Perhaps a 75 hilly rider with 73 sprint or so.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 13-04-2010 17:07
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Some one like Florencio?
Ballan, Rabon, Ignatiev and Bellis are also on the line somewhere
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| SotD |
Posted on 13-04-2010 17:08
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Another example perhaps. This is something that I have been considering to do next year:
Mathieu Bernaudeau is done with his maxing out and is 78 TT. He is also 73 Sprint. I train him +3 sprint. Do I get the +7recuperation? He is now a decent TT'er and a decent sprinter. I might even consider training him even better in sprints.
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Posted on 13-04-2010 17:09
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Exactly mb... There are several. Especially with the talents also comming up. It's all about which talents you chose and what your major plan is with them...
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 13-04-2010 17:09
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Riders who already have a notable other stat would need to get a higher sprint stat i.e. 78 or 79, to benefit from the recovery boost
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 13-04-2010 17:13
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Michael Ford would be an interesting one.
7 recovery would give him quite a bit more use as a TTer
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| SotD |
Posted on 13-04-2010 17:15
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Alright. How about when you go through the natural training?
A rider like Rasmus Guldhammer...
If you train him in sprints the first 2 years and then hills the following 2 years he would be:
71 73 80 66 75 71 70 72 76 82 74 67
Would he be given +7 recuperation?
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 13-04-2010 17:16
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mb2612 wrote:
Michael Ford would be an interesting one.
7 recovery would give him quite a bit more use as a TTer
Well only in TTs later on in a Stage race. A higher recovery stat would make no difference to his capabilities in a one off time trial, or a TT at the start of a stage race
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Posted on 13-04-2010 17:17
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SN -> Alright, so if I train Bernaudeau to 78 sprint he would get the +7 recuperation?
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