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POLL: Training camps - cheat or not?
wroblitz
MikeSurb wrote:
Carlos Sastre, just transferred in real life. Contador transferred once already. Wiggins transferred, Vande Velde has transferred in the past few years. Hincapie just transferred, as did Cadel Evans. Karsten Kroon transferred last season, as did Allesandro Ballan. It looks like you have no point. Am I wrong?


I'd say you are cuz I didn't say that riders are not changing teams at all but in real life you can easelly find a rider who's 4, 5 or even 7 years with one team, try do find one who after 3 seasons will remain in the same team in the game (except your own team obviously).
 
MikeSurb
wroblitz wrote:
MikeSurb wrote:
Carlos Sastre, just transferred in real life. Contador transferred once already. Wiggins transferred, Vande Velde has transferred in the past few years. Hincapie just transferred, as did Cadel Evans. Karsten Kroon transferred last season, as did Allesandro Ballan. It looks like you have no point. Am I wrong?


I'd say you are cuz I didn't say that riders are not changing teams at all but in real life you can easelly find a rider who's 4, 5 or even 7 years with one team, try do find one who after 3 seasons will remain in the same team in the game (except your own team obviously).


I've personally witnessed Sandy Casar staying on FDJ throughout a six year career. As well as Roman Kreuziger on Liquigas. That's just a couple. I'm with everyone else, if you're so dissatisfied with transfers either a. don't play the game
or
b.Just use the editor to place riders on whatever team they were on before
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CrueTrue
This thread wasn't about transfers, though. It was about whether training camps were cheating or not.

I think we can easily agree that transfers are not the most realistic part of the game, although I do think that it's made like this on purpose. Only a few players actually play more than a couple of seasons, and since transfers tend to be one of the highlights of the season, the riders tend to change teams more often than in real life.

Realistic? Perhaps not.

Now, back on topic.
 
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neve57
wroblitz wrote:
There's a difference between "not all" and and "tiny %". Look at the real life:

Boonen - in Quick Step since 2003
Cancellara - Saxo Bank since 2006
A.Schleck - Saxo Bank since 2005
F.Schleck - Saxo Bank since 2003
Armstrong - 7 years in U.S. Postal
It looks like cyclists doesn't change teams every year. Now play 2 seasons and check how many riders stayed in their original teams.


tha'ts not my point... i said not ALL are renewing.... mostly but not all, the same as in pcm
 
djlovesyou
1. I would feel like I'm cheating if I used them.
2. No.
 
nicolas7412
1. Yes, but...
2. I use pre saison fitness camp for my earmarked TDU squad, and for the aussies on my team when I have any.

I thnk it's not fair that fitness of riders are set at random on 01/01

In real life, the team should know before 01/01 which riders need to be in shape for end of january.

And even if the AI does not use camps, if their leaders starts with a fitness of 45/80 on 01/01, and yours at 30/80, there is no way any traning schedule will make you close the gap without a training camp before TDU.

I would use leasure if I needed it, because I've never understood how the morale evolves. (but I haven't needed for 3 careers.+/-10 seasons now.)

However, I'm seriuously considering switching from "hard" to "extreme" in my current career, and quite possibly using traning camps for my objectives then.

Going back to transfers, I think it can be generally accepted that riders switch team more often in the game than in real life, without however switching at every opportunity (last carreer, I tried to hire P. Gilbert or M. Monfort for 3 years in a row, but they renewed 3 times with their current team for a 1 year contract.)
 
lechia
I think there's another inequality in the game. I find that injuries rarely happen in 3D games compared with simulations. This means that your team will have fewer injuries, because presumably you don't simulate all your races, while every race your team is not in is simulated.

Yes (in a way, but it's up to each individual to determine what's cheating and what not. I also don't sign all the stars that are available even though I could. That's worse cheating to me.)
No (not since I found that the AI doesn't)
 
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