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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 19-05-2009 16:06
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Guido Mukk wrote:
zemaria wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
where is that Leipheimer teenage friend..I'd like to kick him..
I never said Levi was one of the best. But he isn´t one of the worst... If Basso wanted he could have passed him, as sastre and arroyo did...
His biking skills won't be a big problem in the TT, you will see.
There you are.."KICK"
lol... You do really hate him.
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 19-05-2009 16:15
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Here is no hate, just love.
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| zemaria |
Posted on 19-05-2009 16:15
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Guido Mukk wrote:
zemaria wrote:
That´s not true. Why do you keep writing stupid rumors? Just one month ago I did a training ride with him and I assure you, you'd like to have his biking skills and, of course, is not known in the peloton for being an "horrible bike handler". He is no Danny MacAskill, though...
Leipheimer isn´t a Samuel Sanchez, or a Savoldelli, but he is far of being a bad descender. Bad descenders are guys like Gesink and Menchov...
well..?
or you just telling us that Levi is great TT rider..yes ..I know that.
I have to rectify my opinion about Menchov's skills. Don't know why, but I had the impression he wasn't a good descender, at least in the Tour I remember him losing some seconds in descents.
Levi isn't one of the bests, that's for sure, but I still think he doesn't sucks like some riders do. Savoldelli will have to eat his own words... |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 19-05-2009 16:25
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mattiasgt wrote:
Here is no hate, just love.
actualy I dont hate him.I just dont understand why I always reply to him..there is no reason.
well Thursday then!
Edited by Guido Mukk on 19-05-2009 16:26
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 19-05-2009 16:28
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I don't think today's stage is a good mesure of the downhill abilities of the riders. I mean, in the last 3 kilometers of downhill Di Luca only gained 12 seconds over Levi's group. That's just 4 seconds/kilometer. I think a lot of cyclists were just being careful. It's better to lose a couple of seconds today than to fell down and lose the Giro. Had the last descent been longer we would have a better indication of rider's true downhill skills.
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| zemaria |
Posted on 19-05-2009 16:30
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Ildabaoth wrote:
I don't think today's stage is a good mesure of the downhill abilities of the riders. I mean, in the last 3 kilometers of downhill Di Luca only gained 12 seconds over Levi's group. That's just 4 seconds/kilometer. I think a lot of cyclists were just being careful. It's better to lose a couple of seconds today than to fell down and lose the Giro. Had the last descent been longer we would have a better indication of rider's true downhill skills.
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| zemaria |
Posted on 19-05-2009 16:31
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Today I kicked some hasses in the betting game... |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 19-05-2009 16:34
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Guido Mukk wrote:
zemaria wrote:
That´s not true. Why do you keep writing stupid rumors? Just one month ago I did a training ride with him and I assure you, you'd like to have his biking skills and, of course, is not known in the peloton for being an "horrible bike handler". He is no Danny MacAskill, though...
Leipheimer isn´t a Samuel Sanchez, or a Savoldelli, but he is far of being a bad descender. Bad descenders are guys like Gesink and Menchov...
well..?
or you just telling us that Levi is great TT rider..yes ..I know that.
Savoldelli said that Leipheimer would struggle in the TT because of the descents it contained. I think he's saying that Levi is "good enough" descending that his superior TT ability will more than make up for it, and that Savoldelli is wrong. |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 19-05-2009 16:46
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Ildabaoth wrote:
I don't think today's stage is a good mesure of the downhill abilities of the riders. I mean, in the last 3 kilometers of downhill Di Luca only gained 12 seconds over Levi's group. That's just 4 seconds/kilometer. I think a lot of cyclists were just being careful. It's better to lose a couple of seconds today than to fell down and lose the Giro. Had the last descent been longer we would have a better indication of rider's true downhill skills.
Listen to what you are saying:
"only gained 12 seconds over Levi's group"
1) You are wrong, he gained 29 seconds.
2) Tours have been won and lost on less time than 12 seconds. Every single second Di Luca pulls out descending, in time bonuses, etc, is one more second Levi has to pull back. He's heading towards doing an Evans - relying on the final TT of the tour to win, and then just not being good enough.
Still, there's a long ways to go yet. Di Luca does however seem to be back on the form of years past. He'll be a hard man to beat now.
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| mrlol |
Posted on 19-05-2009 16:49
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Ildabaoth wrote:
I don't think today's stage is a good mesure of the downhill abilities of the riders. I mean, in the last 3 kilometers of downhill Di Luca only gained 12 seconds over Levi's group. That's just 4 seconds/kilometer. I think a lot of cyclists were just being careful. It's better to lose a couple of seconds today than to fell down and lose the Giro. Had the last descent been longer we would have a better indication of rider's true downhill skills.
well, it was quite a technical descent, and they're still riding for the GC. every second counts. on top of that, the conditions where good, so I dont see any reasons why they where being carefull... |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 19-05-2009 16:55
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rjc_43 wrote:
Ildabaoth wrote:
I don't think today's stage is a good mesure of the downhill abilities of the riders. I mean, in the last 3 kilometers of downhill Di Luca only gained 12 seconds over Levi's group. That's just 4 seconds/kilometer. I think a lot of cyclists were just being careful. It's better to lose a couple of seconds today than to fell down and lose the Giro. Had the last descent been longer we would have a better indication of rider's true downhill skills.
Listen to what you are saying:
"only gained 12 seconds over Levi's group"
1) You are wrong, he gained 29 seconds.
2) Tours have been won and lost on less time than 12 seconds. Every single second Di Luca pulls out descending, in time bonuses, etc, is one more second Levi has to pull back. He's heading towards doing an Evans - relying on the final TT of the tour to win, and then just not being good enough.
Still, there's a long ways to go yet. Di Luca does however seem to be back on the form of years past. He'll be a hard man to beat now.
1. On the top of the last hill he was like 6-7 seconds ahead, so he gained 12, not 29, on the last 3 kilometers.
2. I don't think Menchov or Leipheimer are great descenders, anyhow they managed to stay with Salvodelli during the downhill, so either the descend wasn't that hard or they weren't going so flat out, but either way says the same thing: not a good indication of the true downhill skill of any of them.
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| mrlol |
Posted on 19-05-2009 16:57
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Ildabaoth wrote:
rjc_43 wrote:
Ildabaoth wrote:
I don't think today's stage is a good mesure of the downhill abilities of the riders. I mean, in the last 3 kilometers of downhill Di Luca only gained 12 seconds over Levi's group. That's just 4 seconds/kilometer. I think a lot of cyclists were just being careful. It's better to lose a couple of seconds today than to fell down and lose the Giro. Had the last descent been longer we would have a better indication of rider's true downhill skills.
Listen to what you are saying:
"only gained 12 seconds over Levi's group"
1) You are wrong, he gained 29 seconds.
2) Tours have been won and lost on less time than 12 seconds. Every single second Di Luca pulls out descending, in time bonuses, etc, is one more second Levi has to pull back. He's heading towards doing an Evans - relying on the final TT of the tour to win, and then just not being good enough.
Still, there's a long ways to go yet. Di Luca does however seem to be back on the form of years past. He'll be a hard man to beat now.
1. On the top of the last hill he was like 6-7 seconds ahead, so he gained 12, not 29, on the last 3 kilometers.
2. I don't think Menchov or Leipheimer are great descenders, anyhow they managed to stay with Salvodelli during the downhill, so either the descend wasn't that hard or they weren't going so flat out, but either way says the same thing: not a good indication of the true downhill skill of any of them.
7+12= 19, not 29
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| Biathlon |
Posted on 19-05-2009 16:58
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Video from the Team Meeting before the start today I think it will be on Planet Armstrong later today too.
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| zemaria |
Posted on 19-05-2009 17:10
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KurtinSC wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
zemaria wrote:
That´s not true. Why do you keep writing stupid rumors? Just one month ago I did a training ride with him and I assure you, you'd like to have his biking skills and, of course, is not known in the peloton for being an "horrible bike handler". He is no Danny MacAskill, though...
Leipheimer isn´t a Samuel Sanchez, or a Savoldelli, but he is far of being a bad descender. Bad descenders are guys like Gesink and Menchov...
well..?
or you just telling us that Levi is great TT rider..yes ..I know that.
Savoldelli said that Leipheimer would struggle in the TT because of the descents it contained. I think he's saying that Levi is "good enough" descending that his superior TT ability will more than make up for it, and that Savoldelli is wrong.
It is exactly that. You understand me! Kurtin rules! |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 19-05-2009 17:12
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mrlol wrote:
Ildabaoth wrote:
rjc_43 wrote:
Ildabaoth wrote:
I don't think today's stage is a good mesure of the downhill abilities of the riders. I mean, in the last 3 kilometers of downhill Di Luca only gained 12 seconds over Levi's group. That's just 4 seconds/kilometer. I think a lot of cyclists were just being careful. It's better to lose a couple of seconds today than to fell down and lose the Giro. Had the last descent been longer we would have a better indication of rider's true downhill skills.
Listen to what you are saying:
"only gained 12 seconds over Levi's group"
1) You are wrong, he gained 29 seconds.
2) Tours have been won and lost on less time than 12 seconds. Every single second Di Luca pulls out descending, in time bonuses, etc, is one more second Levi has to pull back. He's heading towards doing an Evans - relying on the final TT of the tour to win, and then just not being good enough.
Still, there's a long ways to go yet. Di Luca does however seem to be back on the form of years past. He'll be a hard man to beat now.
1. On the top of the last hill he was like 6-7 seconds ahead, so he gained 12, not 29, on the last 3 kilometers.
2. I don't think Menchov or Leipheimer are great descenders, anyhow they managed to stay with Salvodelli during the downhill, so either the descend wasn't that hard or they weren't going so flat out, but either way says the same thing: not a good indication of the true downhill skill of any of them.
7+12= 19, not 29
Salvodelli? right... says just about it.
So, just to get this right, we're ignoring the other descent where Di Luca caught back 8 seconds on Pellizotti, and broke away from Levi et co? Cos ignoring that part makes great sense.
And if you think that Levi came in with Menchov's group, you've got serious eyesight problems.
(and I can't count using dodgy numbers, but you'd be right MrLol)
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 19-05-2009 17:20
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Is there an emoticon for *feeling embarrased as hell*? My godness, I've wrote a lot of stupid things, so yes, I deserve it. I miswrote Salvodelli instead of Pellizotti and I don't use dodgy numbers, I really counted wrong (and I'm not normally that stupid with numbers, I'm doing a PhD in engineering). Anyhow, ok, I can't believe all the bs I wrote, so could we just assume I didn't write anything? *feeling embarrased as hell again*
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 19-05-2009 17:22
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Would that be a  you want Ilda? |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 19-05-2009 17:23
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Maggot wrote:
Would that be a you want Ilda?
Kind of. 
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| zemaria |
Posted on 19-05-2009 17:29
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Stupid Ilda. "kick" in the face |
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| Rinhoth |
Posted on 19-05-2009 17:31
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Ok, This might be slightly of topic, but it is concerning the giro....
On Cyclingnews' description of stage 13 on friday, they write that Lampre's Danilo Napolitano is a favourite. How hard is it to know that he rides for Katusha when you write for a cycling website?!?
https://cyclingnew...s/giro0913
If children have the ability to ignore all odds and percentages, then maybe we can all learn from them. When you think about it, what other choice is there but to hope? We have two options, medically and emotionally: give up, or Fight Like Hell.
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