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| admirschleck |
Posted on 30-06-2014 07:38
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Shonak wrote:
"See, every team from that group is now out of WC (except Oranges), so what I said is actually true - it was only strong group on paper." ????
Sorry but you really make it sound like more than two teams advanced to knockout-stage. It were two teams and Chile missed out in the penalty-shootout in Brazil. I fail to see how this proves that the point of the Group being an easy job for Netherlands and "only strong on paper"?
Even if you count Chile in, it still doesn't make it a strong group. Two teams aren't enough for "group of death", how most of you called it. Playing against Australia and destructed Spain is easier than playing against England, Italy & Uruguay, you gotta agree. They almost draw against Australia and win against Chile was...like it was. Tight.
Shonak wrote:
Besides that, the first half of the match Spain was the superior side against Netherlands, and if Silva would have scored, the match probably (who know for sure?) would have been over. But Netherlands made a great comeback, turned the match around and put the first nail into Spain, with Chile finishing it off. I don't know what your opinion on Spain is in general but posts in this thread have shown that you have been as surprised as anyone of us by this NEL-ESP.
Yes, I was, as everyone else, surprised by that result, as Spain was one of the favourites because of their reputation and past. I still don't know how does this make sense and where did I say I wasn't surprised? After that match, nothing could surprise me, so Spain-Chile was somehow expected result for me.
Shonak wrote:
You can like and dislike whatever you want. I just don't see how Netherlands had an "easy job" with this group or why the 5:1 against Spain is not allowed to count as evidence for the attacking parts of Netherlands play like you argued. I'm pretty chilled alright.
I explained "easy" job part above. I never said Spain 5-1 result IS NOT allowed to count as a valid result, but you just can't use one match for evidence for the attacking parts & their game-play style. And I still fail to see the point of this discussion, so I'll simply stop it. What do you want to do? To prove me wrong for having such an opininon? Or to make me like Team A because of some players or their game-play style, which I don't like?
Edited by admirschleck on 30-06-2014 07:50
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| Shonak |
Posted on 30-06-2014 08:52
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admirschleck wrote:
Shonak wrote:
"See, every team from that group is now out of WC (except Oranges), so what I said is actually true - it was only strong group on paper." ????
Sorry but you really make it sound like more than two teams advanced to knockout-stage. It were two teams and Chile missed out in the penalty-shootout in Brazil. I fail to see how this proves that the point of the Group being an easy job for Netherlands and "only strong on paper"?
Even if you count Chile in, it still doesn't make it a strong group. Two teams aren't enough for "group of death", how most of you called it. Playing against Australia and destructed Spain is easier than playing against England, Italy & Uruguay, you gotta agree. They almost draw against Australia and win against Chile was...like it was. Tight.
Funny that you consider England, Italy & Uruguay who all got kicked out by their own incompetence as a group of death and were all way too weak to win against the most outsider-ish team of the tournament - Costa Rica, whilst Spain - the team who have dominated Europe for the past years - and Netherlands - who were previous World Cup finalist, have thus achieved way more than England for almost 50 years - and Chile (who placed before Uruguay in the qualifying and have more than one excellent player, unlike Uruguay who have only Suarez - and if you're nice, than maybe count Cavani too) are an easy group. Australia hasn't been easy to win either with their tough play-style. If anything, Italy-Group has shown to be a Group of "Dumb way to die".
And finally, we are actual at the point where you basically start to say that the win against Chile wasn't really a win, because it was a close one. 2:0, a close win... Yup yup, the denial... I've said at the start of this discussion, that this would happen in a sarcastic tone and now it has come true.
I fail to see the reason behind your claim of a destruced Spain: If anything, they were destroyed by Netherlands in that game, however that was because of the quality of Netherlands in that case. Spain didn't go into this tournament with a crisis on their back or with many injured players. They had the same coach that lead them to two triumphs. Their potential is still incredible. Every player in this squad is world-class. Even the guys on the bench. Look the market price about for them and for the clubs whom they play. You talk about Spain like you talk about some unknown Team straigth from Asia or Africa.
They had one bad half that ruined their tournament. So what? See, my problem is: I think they have been shit in this second half of the match against Netherlands, yes, but Netherlands were also really great in this match. A football match is always played by TWO sides. However, you say - in your tone - that Spain are basically shit and that they are an easy team to beat, and that Chile is apparently an easy team to beat too ("even if you count Chile in" - you make them sound like some 3rd grade Nice-To-Be-Here Team, when they were from many people a secret favourite for the world cup), which just doesn't hold up with your arguments. Therefor Netherlands apparently had an easy job... which is untrue. If you want to see an easy group, watch Argentina and Belgium again.
Shonak wrote:
Besides that, the first half of the match Spain was the superior side against Netherlands, and if Silva would have scored, the match probably (who know for sure?) would have been over. But Netherlands made a great comeback, turned the match around and put the first nail into Spain, with Chile finishing it off. I don't know what your opinion on Spain is in general but posts in this thread have shown that you have been as surprised as anyone of us by this NEL-ESP.
Yes, I was, as everyone else, surprised by that result, as Spain was one of the favourites because of their reputation and past. I still don't know how does this make sense and where did I say I wasn't surprised? After that match, nothing could surprise me, so Spain-Chile was somehow expected result for me.
You yourself wrote:
Spain was literally shit this time and I don't understand how can you count them as a serious team and opponent. I mean, they have a reputation of WC and EC winner, but if you actually watched their games this year (including frendlies), you'd realise why I keep saying that they're shit.
First off, literally means this. You are basically saying that Spain is a pile of shit.
That aside, this definitely sounds like you apparently knew before the World Cup that Spain were to be kicked out of the group - big time, because you say that they are an awful team all year long. But no, you also claim they are favourites now but then again, the favourites are no "serious team"?! Can't you see that you run in circles, boy?! You even claim that they have been shit before this World Cup. Spain, the absolute World Elite, the number one in the FIFA World Ranking. If they are shit, than what is everybody else supposed to be? What's England, Italy & Uruguay huh? What about your home country then, how are awful are they? How shitty is football in general when one of the best teams is it?
Let me remind you, that Netherlands - Spain was THE sensation and the surprise of this World Cup. No one really expected that such a big win for the dutch. (However, I must admit: I have tipped on a win for Netherlands  ). Don't be so pretentious as to claim that Spain is shit because of 1 1/2 games.
Besides that, the fact remains that Spain were the better side in the first half of the match and had the chance to seal the deal back then. Quite a thing to do for such a shit team to dominate your opponent for the first half. But believe it or not, Spain are not the first team that fell apart after an excellent first half,and won't be the last. It's common in football and it's part of the game.
I explained "easy" job part above. I never said Spain 5-1 result IS NOT allowed to count as a valid result, but you just can't use one match for evidence for the attacking parts & their game-play style. And I still fail to see the point of this discussion, so I'll simply stop it. What do you want to do? To prove me wrong for having such an opininon? Or to make me like Team A because of some players?
Again: You can like and dislike whatever the heck you want. But when you write stuff like this in a forum, than don't be surprised when people respond to it. This is a forum after all, a place of discussion. But I agree, it's really best we end this discussion now because seemingly we're running in circles with a logic like that.
Edited by Shonak on 30-06-2014 08:56
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 30-06-2014 08:59
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Not gonna read that wall of text. You win.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 30-06-2014 09:03
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It is just football guys. 
Anyway, GO Brazil! 
I hope Algeria will give Germany a tough time today, shame it is so late in the night...
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| Shonak |
Posted on 30-06-2014 09:06
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Shame, you would have learned something. At least next time, when you go around spiting your opinion around - like for example, Spain is a shit team, I can quote this stuff and the discussion with you ends right at the start. In the end, this might save me a lot of time.
Edited by Shonak on 30-06-2014 09:07
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 30-06-2014 09:09
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Well, for that matter, Spain is a shit team, or rather they are playing style that has been dead and unuseable for quite a time now...so unless they change it, they are doomed.
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 30-06-2014 09:10
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Not really, I am still staying behind what I said, just that I can't be bothered to write another wall of text and make this go even deeper. Not going anywhere like this, so I decided to calm down a bit and stop it. At least my side.
Funny enough, football always awakes our, especially mine, best and worst sides. That's why you have to love it. 
Edited by admirschleck on 30-06-2014 09:13
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| ruben |
Posted on 30-06-2014 11:33
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the worst side in me. Football is not good.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 30-06-2014 13:43
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Cannot see Germany failing against Algeria tonight |
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| ruben |
Posted on 30-06-2014 13:59
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No way indeed. Germany will win. But it will not be easy. Algeria can defend well |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 30-06-2014 14:00
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 30-06-2014 14:36
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| ruben |
Posted on 30-06-2014 16:41
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Still like these ones best@admirschleck
Edited by ruben on 30-06-2014 16:42
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 30-06-2014 16:57
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@ruben - Okay, good for you.
IN NIGERIA WE BELIEVE! GO!
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 30-06-2014 18:00
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brilliant but still like RVP better
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 30-06-2014 18:04
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| ruben |
Posted on 30-06-2014 18:32
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Nigeria is surprising me |
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| ruben |
Posted on 30-06-2014 18:39
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Nevermind. France took it up a notch the last 15 minutes and deservedly scored |
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 30-06-2014 18:41
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@ruben
Are they the only photos of robben on his feet?
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 30-06-2014 18:49
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2-0 now game over |
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