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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 12-09-2011 10:09
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So the one big cycling disgrace named "Vuelta 2011" ended. I hope i will never see this kind of a GT ever in my life again. Riders were racing only in last kilometers of every stage following the 4 hours of nothing happening and all that cheering for very suspicious riders that started winning from nothing.
At least Mollema and Sagan (unbelieveable performance which many fans seem to ignore - isnt it a some sort of world record to win 3 GT stages at 21?) light it up a bit for me.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 12-09-2011 10:14
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
So the one big cycling disgrace named "Vuelta 2011" ended. I hope i will never see this kind of a GT ever in my life again. Riders were racing only in last kilometers of every stage following the 4 hours of nothing happening and all that cheering for very suspicious riders that started winning from nothing.
At least Mollema and Sagan (unbelieveable performance which many fans seem to ignore - isnt it a some sort of world record to win 3 GT stages at 21?) light it up a bit for me.
I like how you blame Cobo for winning from nothing, while his results have been much more impressive than Mollema's
Anyway, was the best GT of the year, If only they had had a tough stage 20 it would have been epic.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 12-09-2011 10:19
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mb2612 wrote:
Anyway, was the best GT of the year, If only they had had a tough stage 20 it would have been epic.
Then we have pretty opposite opinions about how should a cycling race look like. That is fine, everyone has his priorites, for me this race is absolutely not comperable to e.g. Giro 2011, Vuelta looked like a child-play besides that 
Edit: Cobo was third at Burgos this year, his only notable result in 2010+2011
Edit2: Mollema
2010
3rd Overall Tour de Pologne
1st, Stage 6
5th Overall Vuelta a AndalucÃa
8th Giro del Piemonte
2011
2nd Overall Vuelta a Castilla y León
1st Combination classification
5th Overall Tour de Suisse
9th Overall Paris-Nice
10th Overall Volta a Catalunya
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 12-09-2011 11:09
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
Anyway, was the best GT of the year, If only they had had a tough stage 20 it would have been epic.
Then we have pretty opposite opinions about how should a cycling race look like. That is fine, everyone has his priorites, for me this race is absolutely not comperable to e.g. Giro 2011, Vuelta looked like a child-play besides that
Edit: Cobo was third at Burgos this year, his only notable result in 2010+2011
Edit2: Mollema
2010
3rd Overall Tour de Pologne
1st, Stage 6
5th Overall Vuelta a AndalucÃa
8th Giro del Piemonte
2011
2nd Overall Vuelta a Castilla y León
1st Combination classification
5th Overall Tour de Suisse
9th Overall Paris-Nice
10th Overall Volta a Catalunya
The giro had a great route, but Contador ruined the racing by being too strong.
As far as Cobo goes, he clearly has the talent, you just have to look back further than two years, which you know and have ignored, cherry picking statistics to suit your own view point.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 12-09-2011 11:45
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mb2612 wrote:
Anyway, was the best GT of the year
What? You can't be serious, so I'll follow your signature's advice and assume you're joking.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 12-09-2011 11:58
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mb2612 wrote:
As far as Cobo goes, he clearly has the talent, you just have to look back further than two years, which you know and have ignored, cherry picking statistics to suit your own view point.
I ignored it because he was racing for Saunier Duval in previous years, and we all know what sort of team that was 
But enough of arguing, i understand your point and respect it, we just have another opinion on what is more interesting on cycling
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 12-09-2011 12:09
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
As far as Cobo goes, he clearly has the talent, you just have to look back further than two years, which you know and have ignored, cherry picking statistics to suit your own view point.
I ignored it because he was racing for Saunier Duval in previous years, and we all know what sort of team that was
But enough of arguing, i understand your point and respect it, we just have another opinion on what is more interesting on cycling
Whereas Rabobank have never had riders test positive.
Sorry I should have left it and agreed to disagree but you left that comment open, and Ruben baiting is fun.
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| dienblad |
Posted on 12-09-2011 12:25
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To me, this year's Vuelta was fun to watch, because a lot of riders were pretty equal. But you had to turn on the TV only for the last hour (or even 30 minutes). Only Cobo and Froome (and in the beginning of the Vuelta Rodriguez) could attack succesfully (Angliru, Pena Cabarga)and that's why those 2 deserve being 1 & 2.
Wiggins...... Why has / had Evans the reputation of a non-attacker, Wiggins is the king of the non-attacking racing. He's a good rider, but i don't like him for that.
Mollema is young, is good, and already raced the Tour (and finished it). He has to improve his TT-skills and can become a good GT-rider (not capable of getting on a Tour-podium, but is good for Giro and Vuelta).
And the stages: don't put a +2000m-mtf on day 4, get a few more easy stages in the middle of the GT and some tough ones in the last 3 days (like last year with the Bola del Mundo)
When I have to give a mark between 0 and 10 for this Vuelta, I'll give a 7 (because of the small gaps in the GC). The Tour was a 8 (because of the 2 days in the Alps and the small GC-gaps) and the Giro a 7 (because of Contador's domination and the death of Weylandt, although the racing was better than in the Vuelta).
Up to 2012!!
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 12-09-2011 12:38
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I guess you have to race how you have to race to get the best results. If you're not going to get anything out of attacking - if you can't escape a field of better climbers - there's no point wasting your energy. You could blame them if they looked to others to ride when it was their responsibility or if they could have done better if they had attacked. But I don't think you can say that about Wiggins. He's not a pure climber so can't deal with those changes of pace. It's not like he waited at the Angliru - the better climbers rode away from him - he cracked. He rides tempo well like any TTer. But there would be no point attacking.
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| ruben |
Posted on 12-09-2011 12:56
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mb2612 wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
As far as Cobo goes, he clearly has the talent, you just have to look back further than two years, which you know and have ignored, cherry picking statistics to suit your own view point.
I ignored it because he was racing for Saunier Duval in previous years, and we all know what sort of team that was
But enough of arguing, i understand your point and respect it, we just have another opinion on what is more interesting on cycling
Whereas Rabobank have never had riders test positive.
Sorry I should have left it and agreed to disagree but you left that comment open, and Ruben baiting is fun.
The only Rabobank rider ever to test positive in his Rabo-period was Thomas Dekker. (yes he was riding at silence, but it was a test of his rabo period).
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| kumazan |
Posted on 12-09-2011 13:12
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They found Dynepo in Rasmussen's blood samples, so while not technically a positive test, he was caught while riding for Rabobank.
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 12-09-2011 13:25
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This Vuelta SUCKED ASS! Cobo = Great Win but the Vuelta lost interest in Sierra Nevada. NONE of the FAVORITES attacked truthfully |
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| rorzcp |
Posted on 12-09-2011 13:28
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to be honest, the only rider i like from this years vuelta is wiggins, Rodriguez and Moncoutie(out of GC contenders) |
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| ruben |
Posted on 12-09-2011 13:53
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kumazan wrote:
They found Dynepo in Rasmussen's blood samples, so while not technically a positive test, he was caught while riding for Rabobank.
Those were unconfirmed rumours... never from official source.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 12-09-2011 13:55
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ruben wrote:
kumazan wrote:
They found Dynepo in Rasmussen's blood samples, so while not technically a positive test, he was caught while riding for Rabobank.
Those were unconfirmed rumours... never from official source.
So no. My point stays valid,
Apart from AFLD who should know given they did the testing
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 12-09-2011 18:10
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ruben wrote:
kumazan wrote:
They found Dynepo in Rasmussen's blood samples, so while not technically a positive test, he was caught while riding for Rabobank.
Those were unconfirmed rumours... never from official source.
So no. My point stays valid,
Your point does stay valid, no doubt.
There was also the Humanplasma story which has never been solved, and implied a couple of Rabo riders.
Also, Flecha and Freire, whilst riding for Rabobank, were once linked to Dr. Ferrari (only rumours as far as I know).
Still that rather shows individual doping (assuming there's no smoke without fire) or a couple of individuals doping together, but no team doping, which is what matters most in those cases, I think. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 12-09-2011 18:32
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ruben wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
As far as Cobo goes, he clearly has the talent, you just have to look back further than two years, which you know and have ignored, cherry picking statistics to suit your own view point.
I ignored it because he was racing for Saunier Duval in previous years, and we all know what sort of team that was
But enough of arguing, i understand your point and respect it, we just have another opinion on what is more interesting on cycling
Whereas Rabobank have never had riders test positive.
Sorry I should have left it and agreed to disagree but you left that comment open, and Ruben baiting is fun.
The only Rabobank rider ever to test positive in his Rabo-period was Thomas Dekker. (yes he was riding at silence, but it was a test of his rabo period).
No others have been tested positive while riding at Rabobank, not even Rasmussen.
That's not accurate.
Horrillo tested positive in at the Brabantse Pijl in 2007. He managed to convince the UCI to accept his backdated TUE.
Erik Dekker was suspended for two weeks in '99 after his haematocrit tested extremely high just before the WCs.
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
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| kumazan |
Posted on 12-09-2011 18:41
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ruben wrote:
kumazan wrote:
They found Dynepo in Rasmussen's blood samples, so while not technically a positive test, he was caught while riding for Rabobank.
Those were unconfirmed rumours... never from official source.
So no. My point stays valid,
https://www.smh.com.au/news/Sport/Rasm...68303.html
Pierre Bordry talking about it. It wasn't a positive test because the WADA code only declared a test as positive if chemically obtained EPO was found, so, if your point stays valid, is only due to technicalities, because the Chicken did de facto test positive while in Rabobank. Call it non-negative if you wish.
And just to make it clear, I'm not comparing Rabobank to one of the most ridiculous teams ever as Saunier and all of its bastard descendants are.
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| ruben |
Posted on 12-09-2011 21:15
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Rabobank would never allow organized dope within their team. You know the banks image...
That's also why they kicked Rasmussen out. You know if Rasmussen was riding for Bruyneel he would never and never have done that.
During the Tour 07 Bruyneel even came up to De Rooy and said he should just ignore all the 'jealous talk and stupid rumours' because he put up with it in the Armstrong period..
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 13-09-2011 11:43
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rorzcp wrote:
to be honest, the only rider i like from this years vuelta is wiggins, Rodriguez and Moncoutie(out of GC contenders)
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