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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 20-08-2009 07:50
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Weylandt justh ad a pretty bad season (except of the classics , PR in particular).
its kinda normal het didn't get a selection
Edit: Confirmed selection of silence lotto
Cadel Evans (Aus)
Matthew Lloyd (Aus)
Mickaël Delage (Fra)
Sebastian Lang (Dui)
Charly Wegelius (GBr)
Olivier Kaisen (Bel)
Philippe Gilbert (Bel)
Francis De Greef (Bel)
Jürgen Roelandts (Bel)
source: https://www.hln.be...elta.dhtml
Edited by Stijn_vranken on 20-08-2009 07:53
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| chrica04 |
Posted on 20-08-2009 14:19
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I think Davis totally deserves the chance. He never seems to complain complain like a lot of riders, but always seems to get top 5's for his team.
Like that in a rider. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-08-2009 14:49
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
Weylandt justh ad a pretty bad season (except of the classics , PR in particular).
its kinda normal het didn't get a selection
Weylandt's complaining that Lefévère made promises he didn't keep.
It cracks me up whenever riders/staff complain that Lefévère is a liar. It's like complaining Osama doesn't like jews: if ever you believed for a moment he was trustworthy despite the enormous evidence to the contrary, you're a moron.
chrica04 wrote:
I think Davis totally deserves the chance. He never seems to complain complain like a lot of riders, but always seems to get top 5's for his team.
Like that in a rider.
Notice that this "chance" is only the chance to lead out Boonen at the Vuelta. Davis won't get to ride for himself.
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| chrica04 |
Posted on 20-08-2009 18:57
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Which is sad. |
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| niconico |
Posted on 20-08-2009 19:10
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I don't have any top speeds to look at that, but I have always had the feeling that Davis actually was faster than Boonen.
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| Kami |
Posted on 20-08-2009 20:01
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https://www.cyclin...or-results
Look at Vino's goals  |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 20-08-2009 20:07
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World domination :
LOL!!!!!
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| davey90 |
Posted on 20-08-2009 20:34
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Wow, Samuel Sanchez is gonna put all his huevos in The Vuelta. Maybe the google translator failed there. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 21-08-2009 11:00
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Again it amazes me how they manage to put Danielson and Daniel Martin in there and skip other, more important riders.
Go CN! |
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| Sherpa |
Posted on 21-08-2009 11:24
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ruben wrote:
Again it amazes me how they manage to put Danielson and Daniel Martin in there and skip other, more important riders.
Go CN!
Yeah, Gesink... |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 21-08-2009 11:56
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Sherpa wrote:
Look at Vino's goals Again it amazes me how they manage to put Danielson and Daniel Martin in there and skip other, more important riders.
Go CN![/quote]
Yeah, Gesink...[/quote]
Not just..Fuglsang..Andy..If they but Danielson on that list..i will find several guys more compare with him.. |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 21-08-2009 13:45
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Sherpa wrote:
Look at Vino's goals Again it amazes me how they manage to put Danielson and Daniel Martin in there and skip other, more important riders.
Go CN!
Yeah, Gesink...[/quote]
Not just..Fuglsang..Andy..If they but Danielson on that list..i will find several guys more compare with him..[/quote]
Well, the the article wasn't "11 best riders" or "11 riders with best chance to do well".
Rather it was "11 riders looking for results". It's more about guys who NEED good results in order to call this season successful in any way.
Andy would make no sense on a list like that... because if he drops out on day 1 of the race it doesn't matter... he already got his results in July.
I would think Fuglsang and Gesink should be there though... they have a lot of their respective seasons banking on this race. Though Fuglsang won Slovenia and Denmark Rundt and rode well at Catalunya and the Dauphine Libere.
While Gesink rode well in California (a race not engineered for his abilities) and Dauphine Libere and Amstel Gold... I think his season is VERY much tied up into this race. If he doesn't have a good top 5 performance, it will kind of feel like a lost season for him. Really a podium is necessary for 2009 to feel like a success for him. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 21-08-2009 13:58
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No definately not. Top 5 maybe, podium isn't a realistic goal for Gesink. Then you are overrating him.
The only races he really 'missed' were Fleche Wallone (because of injury) and the Tour (because of a fall), in Fleche Wallone a podium was possible (already 4th last year) in the Tour top 10. That's what he missed. I think top 5 in the Vuelta would make him satisfied. But apart from a good gc, he would be really 100% satisfied if he could get a stage win in the Vuelta as well. (which will be extremely hard) |
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| chrica04 |
Posted on 21-08-2009 16:29
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I am really hoping Danielson has finally reached where he needs to be. I am not trying to say he is gonna win (top 5), but he does have a good TT for a GC guy. Better then a Gesink or Cunego. Just hoping 
I think Sanchez and Gesink can have a good chance as well as Andy. Cadel is also one to never get rid of....if he has figured himself out. |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 21-08-2009 17:18
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chrica04 wrote:
I am really hoping Danielson has finally reached where he needs to be. I am not trying to say he is gonna win (top 5), but he does have a good TT for a GC guy. Better then a Gesink or Cunego. Just hoping
I think Sanchez and Gesink can have a good chance as well as Andy. Cadel is also one to never get rid of....if he has figured himself out.
Gesink had a better TT then danielson (see daphiné liberé i think)
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 21-08-2009 18:06
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
chrica04 wrote:
I am really hoping Danielson has finally reached where he needs to be. I am not trying to say he is gonna win (top 5), but he does have a good TT for a GC guy. Better then a Gesink or Cunego. Just hoping
I think Sanchez and Gesink can have a good chance as well as Andy. Cadel is also one to never get rid of....if he has figured himself out.
Gesink had a better TT then danielson (see daphiné liberé i think)
Gesink may have beaten Danielson in a time trial this year... but in general I'd say Danielson is better at TT's (or at least seems to have a higher upside).
Gesink isn't horrible... and Danielson isn't great. But Danielson does have 4 time trial wins on his resume while Gesink has none aside from the junior and novice levels. Gesink on a good day can beat Danielson, but Danielson would finish ahead on the majority of the less hilly TT's. |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 21-08-2009 18:45
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It's hard to say who is best as they (according to cq) haven't been head to head in a TT since Tour of Deutchsland 2007
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 21-08-2009 18:55
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KurtinSC wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
chrica04 wrote:
I am really hoping Danielson has finally reached where he needs to be. I am not trying to say he is gonna win (top 5), but he does have a good TT for a GC guy. Better then a Gesink or Cunego. Just hoping
I think Sanchez and Gesink can have a good chance as well as Andy. Cadel is also one to never get rid of....if he has figured himself out.
Gesink had a better TT then danielson (see daphiné liberé i think)
Gesink may have beaten Danielson in a time trial this year... but in general I'd say Danielson is better at TT's (or at least seems to have a higher upside).
Gesink isn't horrible... and Danielson isn't great. But Danielson does have 4 time trial wins on his resume while Gesink has none aside from the junior and novice levels. Gesink on a good day can beat Danielson, but Danielson would finish ahead on the majority of the less hilly TT's.
in what races were those TT victories?
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| Cremalex |
Posted on 21-08-2009 19:08
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Some changes has been made in some of the stages.
First of all, Liege. The arrival to Liege is a bit different from what we expected before. The end of the stage is lighter than we expected. They will climb Saint Nicholas from the north, instead of from the south, this side is less hard and it would be difficult that the race will break there.
Second change is in Sierra Nevada. Finally they won't reach 2500 metres. Finish line will be installed at 2380 metres, 2 kms before. The good news for this stage is that Vuelta will use for first time Collado de las Sabinas, a road much harder than the one Vuelta usually used.
Cordoba stage will also have some changes. Due to city requirements (is the main sponsor of the stage) cyclist will pass three times for the city. 14% climb changes and two climbs to San Jeronimo are used instead. San Jeronimo really is the other side of that 14% climb, so they will descend for the side was expected before to be climbed.
Finally, worst change goes in one of the last stages, Avila. One of the 1st category climbs, Pielago, is suprimed, so the stage will be less hard than we expected before. |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 21-08-2009 22:39
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I think Danielson is better than Gesink in most tt's when both are in good shape. But not much better, only a little.
Also bit of a shame Rasmussen won't be racing the vuelta. I mean if Vino get's to race the chicken should be allowed to, even if he's a late entry. |
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