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PCM2010 suggestions
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| Pazflor |
Posted on 16-03-2010 16:57
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I want back that I can protect one rider with as many riders as possible |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 16-03-2010 18:19
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Why? If one rider gives enough protection, why waste more? Or do you want that the game has to be re-programmed so that one protection is not enough? |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 17-03-2010 09:27
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they could re-program it so the more riders you have protecting a rider then the more likely he is to stay up if there is a mass crash. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 17-03-2010 11:58
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Why should they? Have you ever watched a cycling race? I don't think a rider stays up more likely if he has a bunch of other cyclists in front of him during a mass crash. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 17-03-2010 13:01
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i think he does. less chance of him being pushed off the road or touched by someone behind him. otherwise there would be no point in PROTECTING riders.
obviously if there is a crash directly in front of him then he will most likely go over the top of it and go down, but that can happen to anyone.
look at contador crashing out in the Paris-Nice. He and haussler touched and went down. wouldn't have happened if contador was being properly protected. |
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| lechia |
Posted on 17-03-2010 15:15
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ringo182, you sound as if you have no idea about cycling. Your team's riders are just as likely to lose their balance/fall/crash as anyone else. So if you "protect" someone, the protector can crash and your protecte rider may crash into them. The protection in the game is not literal. What it means is that the rider that protects your leader from the wind by sheltering him, i.e. always stayng in front of him so that he catches the wind and not the leader. If you watch races, especially in sprints, a rider will bring up his sprinter to the front (for teams that don't have a big train) so that the sprinter loses as little energy as possible and can then slot into the train somewhere closer to the front. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 17-03-2010 16:20
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firstly, don't tell me what i know and don't know about cycling. as well as watching cycling i also race myself so know first hand of the effects of protection in a bunch.
if your riding in a bunch you get just as much protection from the rest of the bunch as you do from your own team. you might as well ride behind anyone instead of your own team mates and get the same "protection".
you protect you leader by keeping him out of danger by making sure no-one else interfears with him. that means making sure no-one tries to push him off the road or hits him from behind.
if there is a mass crash in front of him then yes, there is nothing a team can do other then drop back and help him back into the bunch. but there are certain collisions you can protect him from.
the sprint is a completely different thing where you aren't protecting the rider but leading him out. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 17-03-2010 19:03
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PCM has no collision detection for cyclists (cyclists can ride through each other) so nobody pushes anybody. Also cyclists never leave the street. Therefore nobody needs to be protected against pushing and/or pushing off the street. And I still do not believe that you could prevent falling in a mass crash by protecting.
Maybe you should suggest a collision detection before you suggest to reprogram the game to prevent its effects. |
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| Maximka |
Posted on 18-03-2010 09:12
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I want "big guns" to want to sign with continental teams. For example, Sastre, Hushovd signed with Cervelo, or Petacchi and DiLuca - with LPR. But in game that's not possible. And even if you want them to stay in your team, you MUST be promoted
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 18-03-2010 14:27
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Maximka wrote:
I want "big guns" to want to sign with continental teams. For example, Sastre, Hushovd signed with Cervelo, or Petacchi and DiLuca - with LPR. But in game that's not possible. And even if you want them to stay in your team, you MUST be promoted
Agree maybe just make asking price higher for a conti team. |
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| hellboy |
Posted on 18-03-2010 17:13
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Maximka wrote:
I want "big guns" to want to sign with continental teams. For example, Sastre, Hushovd signed with Cervelo, or Petacchi and DiLuca - with LPR. But in game that's not possible. And even if you want them to stay in your team, you MUST be promoted
nice idea
Go Roman!
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| jokovic |
Posted on 18-03-2010 17:50
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first of all make sprints more realistic with those lead out trians.
also 'be a pro ' mode would be great
maybe add prologue stat.
also cobble races like gent-wevelgem,scheldenprijs make then more realistic cuz those races ends alot on a sprint about 40-50 riders
and maybe you should get young scouted players in 'b-team' i mean something like rabobank continental team
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 18-03-2010 18:17
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jokovic wrote:
also 'be a pro ' mode would be great
It's been asked for so many times, Cyanide said not to request it.
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| Pazflor |
Posted on 18-03-2010 18:30
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jokovic wrote:
maybe add prologue stat.
Isn't Flat and Time Trial counting in prologue's? |
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| lechia |
Posted on 18-03-2010 18:45
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ringo182 wrote:
firstly, don't tell me what i know and don't know about cycling. as well as watching cycling i also race myself so know first hand of the effects of protection in a bunch.
if your riding in a bunch you get just as much protection from the rest of the bunch as you do from your own team. you might as well ride behind anyone instead of your own team mates and get the same "protection".
you protect you leader by keeping him out of danger by making sure no-one else interfears with him. that means making sure no-one tries to push him off the road or hits him from behind.
Understand this: protection in the game means protection from the wind and NOT from other riders. It's important if you want your guy riding near the front. If you have him in the middle of the bunch, he is protected from the wind by other riders as you say, unless there's a cross wind.
As for your "knowledge": how do you "protect" your leader from getting pushed? By getting pushed yourself instead of him? If you get pushed (hard) won't you go into him? |
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| lechia |
Posted on 18-03-2010 18:50
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Pazflor wrote:
jokovic wrote:
maybe add prologue stat.
Isn't Flat and Time Trial counting in prologue's?
It does, BUT in real life there are guys (usually sprinters) who are actually good TT riders in short TTs. Examples of this are Hushovd and Boonen. They actually win prologues. In the game, their TT stats are relatively low so they have no chance to win a short one. In long TTs, endurance plays a crucial role and sprinters are not as good in that as GC riders and so they finish in the middle of the pack (would probably finish higher, but given that they have no chance to win, they usually don't go 100%). Hence, a prologue stat would be nice. Another option would be to make the endurance stat more important in a TT the longer it is. |
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| Pazflor |
Posted on 18-03-2010 19:13
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Ony thing I can find with Boonen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdByfY...dByfYi3JOE
But with Hushovd it was very, very easy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKqU7J...KqU7J3Mh7g
Edited by Pazflor on 18-03-2010 19:14
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-03-2010 07:55
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lechia wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
firstly, don't tell me what i know and don't know about cycling. as well as watching cycling i also race myself so know first hand of the effects of protection in a bunch.
if your riding in a bunch you get just as much protection from the rest of the bunch as you do from your own team. you might as well ride behind anyone instead of your own team mates and get the same "protection".
you protect you leader by keeping him out of danger by making sure no-one else interfears with him. that means making sure no-one tries to push him off the road or hits him from behind.
Understand this: protection in the game means protection from the wind and NOT from other riders. It's important if you want your guy riding near the front. If you have him in the middle of the bunch, he is protected from the wind by other riders as you say, unless there's a cross wind.
As for your "knowledge": how do you "protect" your leader from getting pushed? By getting pushed yourself instead of him? If you get pushed (hard) won't you go into him?
yes, but if your pushed and your leader is on the other side of you then you push back, rather then veer into the path of the leader if you weren't on the same team.
example, i'm protecting armstrong who is on my right. someone on my left moves accross into my path. my job is to protect armstrong so i maintain my line so as not to hinder or danger armstrong and not move into his line forcing him to take evasive action and possibly crash. if it means that i have to crash then that is my job.
now i am not protecting armstrong as he is not in my team. the same scenario happens but this time i simply swerve to avoid the colloision and move into armstrongs space forcing him to take the same action and increase his chances of crashes. that is how real protection works.
obviously you can't save your leader from all crashes, like shin pads won't save you from a broken leg, but you can reduce his risk of crashing. that is what protecting you leader is about in real cycling which is what this discussion was about since lachi changed the subject onto real cycling by questioning my knowledge of it. |
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| lechia |
Posted on 19-03-2010 15:22
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Boonen won Ster Elektrotoer in 2004 (not a top race, but nevertheless). The point is he can be close and has been. He finished 3rd in the ENECO (the clip from Pazflor) by .38 secs. He's supposedly training this year to win in this year's Tour so he can ride into Belgium in yellow:
https://www.cyclin...ite-defeat
Actually Farrar has won prologues and came 2nd in the above mentioned ENECO. I think he finished 3rd in the Vuelta one if I remember correctly. Hushovd has certainly had the most success as far as wins. |
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 19-03-2010 19:15
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I think you should have more options in training, like you could choose if you wish to improve a little like now or improve a lot on some stats but lose a little on the else.
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